The US is in Relative Decline against China

Economically speaking, Russia has nothing, but I was talking about in the foreign policy/national security realm. You don't think the US has any enemies?

 

American is alone in this. Do you honestly think the EU would side with us over China? India is a more realistic 21st Century ally than the rotting corpse of the EU.

 

They aren't military Strategists. They can't feed their own people, and with just our submarines, we can blockade by plugging the choke-points between Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines.

The second Island Chain secured by our surface fleet, plugs the gaps between the Philippines, Guam and Palau.

They get stupid and they will find it really smarts.
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Your post also assumes their growth, largely powered by their previous free access to US markets, education and technology continues. That's in question. If Biden wins, then yes.

DECOUPLING: Chinese Companies Could Be Delisted From U.S. Stock Exchanges.

The ripples are already being felt in the markets after landmark legislation was approved by the Senate.

The U.S. Senate approved the Holding Foreign Companies Accountable Act (HFCAA) on Wednesday, sweeping legislation that could result in non-U.S. companies that fail to meet a number of strict criteria being barred from trading on U.S. stock exchanges. The bill was approved without objection.

One of the key provisions of the legislation is that companies would be required to certify that "they are not owned or controlled by a foreign government." Lawmakers would also require that these statements be backed up by an audit conducted by the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB).

The legislation would still need to pass the House of Representatives before being sent to President Trump for final approval. If passed, though, the law could have far-reaching effects on foreign companies already listed on U.S. exchanges, especially those from China.

And for extra credit - why will this have far reaching effects on Communist China?

 

Do I think China is going to bomb or invade the US? No. No I don't. Do you?

 

The senate bill sounds very Chinese of us. Just as they were starting to drop those restrictions on our companies. Oh well.

 

The EU has its own agenda - as does India. India Russia China relations are quite good - and they work together on projects - Missile technology being one area.

We have traditionally worked with the EU - and have much closer connections - dead rotting corpse or otherwise.

I tend to agree with your assessment of a bleak situation in general - which is a problem - because we will not do very well on our own.

What ever hope we had of getting others onboard - regardless of the nation - was not helped by Trump messing with the sovereignty of - and declaring economic warfare on - every other nation on the planet that matters - forcing them to go along with unilateral and unpopular Iran sanctions... by using the nuclear option - threatening to bar banks and corps out of the international system of payments.

They complied - they had to .. they were forced but made really loud noises - and now everytime we turn around we are getting FU..

It was a bold move on the geopolitical chessboard - but one that backfired - and he knows it...

anyway - in a few months we have a very good shot at Biden taking over ... a fking disaster in my books - the latest move to block the Keystone - that political football again - being the final straw.

 

~ India/China relations are falling apart each week. Now it appears that India is supporting Taiwan. CCP will not be happy ...

 

MAGA isolation, isn't working.

 

I thought the enemy is well known.
It is the opposite party in USA..

United We Stand. Divided We Fall.

 

What traditional American Values are you espousing are being destroyed?

 

What is America divided about?

 

Democrats v Republicans.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

 

Europe has similar and different problems.
We have countries that reached the bottom of fertility such as Spain, Italy, Germany. In the case of Spain and Italy, it's especially explosive, because they have an extremly socialized economy. Very few young people, a huge debt, and a socialized economy, that could be the worst nightmare.
Both Europe and USA face heavy immigration, but in Europe, there is the further challenge to deal with an islamic population, that has very different conceptions of the society than European.
Despite that, I'm not sure you're behind us. On many points, you seems to be in fact ahead of us. Ultra wokeness emerged in USA, (the root of post modernism is from France however), we have the same wokes in Europe, but they're just copying the americans.

 

You realize that all of this stops and reverses if Biden wins the White House? The current US direction of taking hard steps with China will totally reverse. Joe is pro-China and so is Wall Street. It's an uphill battle now confronting China, it will be an easy down hill slide to resume our pro China economic and political strategy with a change in direction in the White House.

 

Bomb and invade? I didn't say anything about that. So you are avoiding the question. I think that's a good enough answer!

 

Hence my comment in the first post that the decline is inevitable. Or at least I don't see any obvious way out of what seems like an inevitable decline. So as far as I can see right now, our only obvious path is to economically disengage from China, regardless of what the rest of the world does.

 

Your attitude is part of the problem.

 

Heh, "Wokeness" does seem to be a particularly toxic, and American born virus that's infected the West. Too bad the rest of the world didn't quarantine us!

There is an actual way to fight that off however. "Wokeness" is heavily dependent on subsidized academia and "journalism". However after the economic gotterdammerung that swept through nation's high education institutions as a result of our lockdown, colleges and universities are going to have to make some deep cuts going forward. Now it's possible that some will choose to ditch the engineering programs to save their gender studies programs, but I think in the long run, most parents are not going to be willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars a year for that.

As far as the immigration issue, yeah Europe does face a different challenge. The US is remaking itself into Latin America but Europe is remaking itself into a collection of Islamic States. As a choice between the two, I'll take Latin America.

 

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I must admit that on that point the american left is particulary strong : they managed to make some people get dozen of thousand of dollars of debt to pay for their own indoctrination. Even communist regimes had to make their propaganda free. I know only another case where people pay dozen of thousand of dollars of indoctrination : cults.

 

Sure it is.
I am not calling 1/2 of America wrong.

United We Stand, Divide We Fall.

 

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/RL33534.html
China’s Economic Rise: History, Trends, Challenges, and Implications for the United States

China's Economic Growth and Reforms: 1979-the Present
Since the introduction of economic reforms, China's economy has grown substantially faster than during the pre-reform period, and, for the most part, has avoided major economic disruptions.10 From 1979 to 2018, China's annual real GDP averaged 9.5% (see Figure 3).

 

Well why won't you unite then? Hop on the Trump train!

 

Where's the tRUMP train headed?
Things aren't going so good.

And the train seems to want to leave a lot of people off of it.

Can anyone get on that train?
Muslims? Latinos?

 

It's heading away from China. But that's not really the point. You call out "United We Stand, Divide We Fall" but the truth is we're divided along some pretty severe policy grounds. We're divided for real reasons. You've shown no inclination to "unite" for the past couple of years so there seems no reason you would start now.