What caused Floyd’s death

In simplest terms, what caused the death of George Floyd was his own documented criminal behavior.

 

Like I posted, bad guy + bad cop = death

 

You'll need to include pictures to get your point across cause simple terms are still too complex for some readers.

 

Iwould like to know more about George's crime. Was he part of an international counterfeiting ring?

 

Chauvin had complaints, actions were not taken against him. That doesn't mean nothing was done, that means cause was not found.

Chauvin was fired and charged with murder within days- something quite rare given the time needed actually assess facts, such as having an autopsy report.
Still, we have massive crimes committed in the guise of "protest". Most of those people didn't give a damn about Floyd George, just as they didn't care that justice was moving swiftly on the cop.
George is the excuse- not the reason.

Impossible to insure no cop will ever make a mistake, exceed his authorization nor go bad. Cops are people too, and some will go bad- but hardly on a scale comparable to the thugs who have been burning cities all over the country. It takes an idiot- a really ignorant and stupid person to see that damage and excuse it, but never question the right of the cop to at least be heard before the hanging.

None of this would ever happen if police unions did not exist? Fine. lets make ALL unions illegal, because they all keep unfit people in their jobs from time to time.
None of this would ever happen if there were not criminals among us- and the riots showed how many are willing to become criminals when an excuse is available.

Criminals need to be controlled, because they refuse to control themselves and generally don't give a damn about others. George was a criminal. Violent criminal record, armed home invasion for one, where he was on drugs and threatened to kill a woman to get money and/or drugs. Under arrest for passing counterfeit money that day, and on fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time. Not exactly a nice guy.

Amayzing how such a person becomes a saint, and all the police in the country become villians, and all the businesses burned, the people killed, the cops bricked, the property vandalized- are all about making a statement of support for good old Floyd.

The BS has never been deeper.

Don't get this wrong- it's not a defense of Chauvin, except to say he is entitled to fair treatment too. It is an indictment of the system and people, the mob who would burn a city, and the spineless leadership that would cower and let them get away with it.

 

I don’t agree.
Chauvin was absolutely in the wrong. You can’t just sit on someone’s neck for 8 minutes and not expect to kill that person. Especially if that person is handcuffed and is lying face down.
I think each cop should assume that whoever they have to physically handle has some drugs in their system, whether legal or illegal. There are lots of people who take mood stabilizers, antidepressants, and other drugs that can impact blood pressure, blood flow and heart rate. I’m not even talking about illegal drugs. Also, a cop who has to physically handle a suspect should always have on the back of their mind a possibility that the suspect is attempting to use them as a tool for suicide.
So, did Floyd resisting arrest contribute to his death? Yes! But was Chauvin right to continue restraining him for so long? Absolutely not! Even if Floyd murdered a baby, the police can’t just treat restrained suspects the way Chauvin did.
In my book Chauvin killed Floyd. But it wasn’t murder and I believe he won’t be convicted with murder. What happened is classic manslaughter 2. He will be sentenced to 10 years for this, which I think would be a fair sentence. I don’t think Chauvin woke up that morning thinking he needs to find a black guy to kill. His actions were reckless and he showed total disregard for his suspects well being which resulted in death.

 

Find me a non-union job where it’s possible for an employee to work and piss off enough people to file a written complaint against that employee for pretty much every year they were employed.
I bet you can’t think of a job where you could get away with that.

Totally agree. I would also like to add that I can’t believe progressives are blind to the fact that the Democratic Party and mass media totally hijacked the moment and turned it into a racial issue.

That’s why firing a cop should be an easy process. Not several years of bureaucracy with union having a final say.

I agree. All unions should be abolished. But I’ve been pushing the message specifically about Police Unions because progressives will reject the notion to ban unions. Somehow they can’t connect the dots that if a lousy DMV employee can get away with not knowing how to type with all fingers and is not willing to learn because they have nothing to fear so is their local cops can’t be fired for anything short of murder and they have no incentive to improve as they have no fear for their jobs, raises, bonuses, position and other things that union protects.
I think republicans are missing a good moment to roll out their own reform package that either eliminates police unions or restricts bargaining power only to pay and cannot influence bonuses and disciplinary action.

I agree. Floyd, a thug who pointed a gun at a pregnant woman’s belly is being treated like a saint and his family raised millions of dollars for god knows what.

Agree. My republican mayor nipped these protests in the bud. Other suburbs had hundreds of local businesses destroyed, but not where I live.
I remember back in 2016 mass media was trying to spark racial tensions and trump had unexpected win. I hope Democrats will be punished even more this election cycle for stocking people against each other for not good reason.

 

I'm certainly no fan of unions; I think they do far more damage than good. However you can surely understand that when you work for politicians, there is going to be a lot of unacceptable crap being done for political purposes that bucks common sense and good practices, and the cops are living with that everyday. You have been seeing it intensely lately, where cops are obviously ordered to stand back, yet they are getting spit on, having urine thrown on them, rock and bottles thrown at them- and they are supposed to be calm... and several have been charged with assault for defending themselves already. One of the things I expect to see is in any city who pulls this heavy-duty defund and reform crap it to see entire police forces or major parts of them resign. It's a dangerous job- and most people would not do it for people who didn't have the guts to back them up. I know I wouldn't tolerate it. Nobody will want the job if that is what they can expect- especially, no body with the right stuff.

As for firing- the same politicized administration would be doing the firing; I don't think there would be any justice in the process either. So somehow, the cops do have to have some backing and support. I don't think it has to be a union, but that is the way most labor in this nation go about it. At a minimum, if such decisions were not in the hands of politicians- say a committee of citizens or legal professionals had to make the calls, things might improve. There are 400,000 cops; that's about the population of a mid-sized city. The vast majority of them are dedicated, yet get damn little appreciation from the communities they serve. I agree bad ones need to go- but painting them all with the same brush and failing to support them will backfire on us.

 

Try not to drift too far from the program. George being George is what brought them together, nothing else.

 

Who is at fault for George Floyd being under the influence of illicit narcotic substances at the time of the arrest?

 

Many former cops (even here and on TV, social media, etc) said that the standard protocol is once the suspect stops fighting and is handcuffed to roll him over and put him in sitting position. If flight was a concern - cuff the legs. Leaving suspect face down and handcuffed makes it hard to breathe. And it’s not a lie - watch a few seasons of Cops and you’ll notice that that’s exactly what those cops were doing on TV. No suspect is left handcuffed, face down for extended period of time.
I see no logical reasoning behind defending Chauvin. No amount of drugs in Floyd’s blood can justify Chauvins behavior. What he did was outrageous and he must be punished for it.

 

The law enforcement officer in question is not being defended. Rather George Floyd is simply being blamed for the part he played in events that led to his death, such as the felony offense of using illicit narcotic substances, and prompting calls to law enforcement about a strange individual in an intoxicated state.

 

George Floyd did not die because he had drugs in his system.

He died because a knee was driven into his neck for nearly nine minutes while he was hand cuffed face down.

Something that is ALLOWED in that and many other police departments

 

What caused Floyd's death was Floyd. He committed a crime.

 

So he was executed for POSSIBLY passing a counterfeit $20?

 

The police union negotiates their contract with the government of the locale they are located in,so local politicians agreed to the contract and signed on to it.

 

No because he was fighting police officer!

He didnt allow himself to peacefully be hand cuffed and set quietly in the back of the police car like he should have.

 

He was lying on his belly...unarmed and handcuffed...telling police he could not breathe and begging for his life


For nearly NINE minutes while a cop put his weight into a knee on his neck


If he was "fighting"...he was fighting for his life

 

Such came after the efforts of George Floyd to fight law enforcement and escape arrest. One is not allowed to do such and expect there to be no consequences for their actions. Law enforcement officers are trained from early on to maintain control of the situation at all costs. It is no different than attempting to flee from an angry canine.

 

Of course that statement is total BS!!!!! Look at the video, the officers knee is just holding him down so he wont commit more violence. And yes he had drugs in his system. In effect he caused his own death. *hit happens when you get stupid.

 

The only argument other than intent is ignorance. I have a hard time believing that a trained police officer doesnt know that you can keep choking someone for more than 2 minutes after they go unconscious without killing the person.

Thus is the basic problem with police. If you are someone who wants to kill or beat up or bully people becoming a cop gives you a legal outlet to do those things. People become cops for all types of reasons, but I don't know how anyone could deny that this is one of them.


Unless we change that, the problem of police brutality will never go away.

 

He was choked to the point of unconsciousness and then for another couple minutes after that. I do jiu jitsu and people on the first day learn that you can't keep choking someone after they go unconscious cause it kills them. Drugs don't make any difference.

 

Death shouldn't be the consequence of running from the cops. Wtf world do you want to live in?

 

What caused Floyd’s death.
The same cause as everyone else; being born.
After that, there are so many variables that one can fix upon whichever best fits one's agenda.
That said, the police used excessive measures.

 

Total BS---------------he put himself in the situation. No crime no death.

Kind of like no pear harbor no Hiroshima.