Many Americans are descended from UK criminals ... Britain Sent Thousands of Its Convicts to America

And here in the US, we have turned prisons into a lucrative private corporate enterprise!

 

That is unfortunate for us. One of the things I would have changed.

 

Age has more to do with it than heritage. And let's not forget a lot countries consider the numbers of incarcerated as a closely guarded state secret.

 

Wrong, there were never very many private prisons go begin with and most have been closed.

 

Your imagination run Rampant?

 

Well, it isn't wrong because there are still private prisons. But that's only a small piece of the pie. Private companies are vendors to these prisons in almost every aspect and are influencing policy and promoting mass incarceration - as well as making vast sums of money. Make no mistake - whether private, local or federal - there is huge money to be made in the business of prisons.

 

As well as salaries for the cops who start the process, the prosecutors and judges and jail or prison people....

And your point? Private companies as vendors? Okay, so the cons have to grow their own food and weave the cloth they sew into their prison outfits, and cut the wood they burn in winter out of a common barrel in the cellblock yard. (I'll think of more stereotypes as I go here. Meanwhile, here's some tunes for you....)

https://www.amazon.com/Parchman-Farm-Photographs-Recordings-1947-1959/dp/0981734294

America has always believed in keeping its worst from harming others. Do not condemn the cost-efficient way low bidding can save money for these large institutions. Hospital cafeterias do no less.

 

Are we throwing innocents in prison for profit? Is that your point?

 

When large companies become lobbyists for mass incarceration we have a problem. The fact that you don't see that is also a problem.

 

No - not intentionally, at least. But there is incentive to throwing small time criminals into prisons for long sentences.

 

I am all for drug legalization. I do believe it would be a mess to sort out people currently in prison for it if it was legalized though.

Other than that I’m a “do the crime do the time” fan. I’m more pro to think punishment than rehabilitation in many cases. Some people are just bad.

 

Decriminalization would be a great start. And those currently incarcerated for small possession should be released. I don't know why it should be a mess, as there are records for all incarcerated individuals.

 

The fact here is, you are attempting to deny lawful companies from lobbying their services, just as Boeing, Microsoft or any other outfit. Aramark(tm) for one is such a supplier. Others obviously also exist. And those same outfits service hotels, hospitals, big-volume school cafeterias...that list goes on.

What part about lobbying bothers you? How else would a company advertise its services for specialized use such as prisons? How many outfits have employees without prison records, to even go on those grounds for deliveries?

The law has ALWAYS allowed corporate or business or even PERSONAL lobbying. See the full wording of the long-abused First Amendment for any further explanation.

 

The other crimes involved in those cases. If they resisted arrest, if they fled leading to a high speed chase, if they were illegally in possession of a firearm, if they made threats in conjunction with drugs. I imagine most cases are not simply just a guy with a bag of weed. In those cases yes it would be simple.

 

Level of difficulty shouldn't be a reason not to do it

 

Thank you for asking...

Honest Joe, in another thread wrote: ''Around the same era, Australians were just a bunch of criminals deported from Britain so I'm not sure you should be promoting judging groups of people based on behaviour of others over a century ago. ''

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...democrat-then-and-now.574521/#post-1071818624

As you can see, I politely pointed out that Australia and America suffered the same fate due to British colonialism and then provided evidence of same. Someone reading my response, used that link to start this thread!

Since then, i have provided quality links so that Americans might learn more about their past, which The System, [educators & politicians] have denied!

May I ask, most respectfully to what have you taken offense?

 

Most Australians were decscended from UK criminals since Australia was a penal colony originally. They don't seem to be any more embarrassed by that as Americans are.

 

You would have a point if you could prove that none of your ancestors committed any crimes in the last 400 years!

Thread - garbage!

 

We used all those dregs in the colonial war as fodder. You know, those silly folks that wanted to stand in a straight line and trade musket fire with their fellow Kings fodder The evolved AMERICAN were the smart men that ambushed the stupid from tree lines and bush's

 

I'm sorry

 

I wish others could understand this in relation to their prejudices against various target populations.

 

Well there is that VERY recent abuse of and murder of the Aboriginals! Plus the horrible record Australia current standing with the United Nations and human rights violations of the Aboriginal and disabled

 

I agree, just saying it’s not as easy as say the rioters in Seattle seem to think with their demands of letting every drug convention go free...

 

Australia was a prison colony for Britain but I don't believe America was??