Supreme Court splits on Trump tax cases, potentially shielding returns until after election

You know, Obama waited for the opportune moment to release his supposedly good looking birth certificate, right? I remember him complaining, even asking if he should plaster it over his forehead? Why, what was he waiting for, other than for Conservatives to keep asking - what is he hiding?

 

Hmm... CNN said. That's pretty authoritative.. huh? Laughable. CNN told us repeatedly that the intelligence services had proof that Russia collaborated with the Trump campaign to help elect him.. That didn't turn out so well for them, did it? I will also remind you that "falsified business records" doesn't mean "tax filings" does it. Just another wild goose chase looking for ways to embarrass the president seems to be the only thing you and your team have these days.

 

Wow was there extra aluminum foil on your takeout tonight??

 

It would be helpful if you understood how these things work. The only question SCOTUS left open and sent back to the lower court to rethink it is whether a local DA can subpoena through a grand jury Trump's financial records. If it eventually winds up favoring the DA, grand jury information is never legally made public.

 

What you talkin' about, Willis? The rule of law as evinced by SCOTUS is that congress can go pound sand with their financial records subpoena, and that the lower courts can go rethink their decision that a local DA can subpoena a president's financial records. So which rules of law did Trump followers abandon exactly?

 

Please cite the code that makes prosecutor Vance's demand for Trump's financial information illegal.

This SCOTUS decision merely confirmed that the tax and finance laws that apply to all of us also apply to the president.

Meanwhile, the other decision went against the congressional committees and their subpoenas on the basis that they were too broad. They'll have to rewrite them and be much more specific about their need to see particular financial documents, also a good decision IMO.

 

Make that ALL presidents, starting with Nixon.

 

All of the Democratic candidates did so.

 

See #158.

 

Biden has already publicized his taxes.

https://joebiden.com/financial-disclosure/

 

I'm not sure I agree with that.... So Congress narrows their requests and gets Documents A, B, and C.... Reading Document C, it's clear you now need to see Document D.... Do you have to go through the entire subpoena process again??

That's a freaking nightmare.

I'd prefer for Congress to get just about everything, then filter out what they don't need.

Remember, the goal should always be for transparency. If Trump, or any President, has something to hide at the personal level, that's no excuse....

 

The decision means that he has to respond to a subpoena for disclosure of his financial documents, due to the fact that his finances are currently under investigation by the city, county, and state of New York.

Publicizing taxes is a tradition that started with Nixon. It probably should be a law. All presidents have done so except for Trump. Even the Democratic candidates released their taxes. We the people want our leaders to be above board and transparent in their financial affairs. Trump is as crooked as they come, which is why he won't release his. He's hiding things, and it's my guess that one of the things he's hiding is that he isn't nearly as wealthy as he claims. That's something he has always lied about.

 

We don't know whether or not the IRS found any irregularities in Trump's tax returns. He could have been fined for all we know. The IRS would never disclose that about anyone, much less the president. If you get audited and they catch something wrong, they charge you for what you owe, plus penalties and interest. They don't charge you with a crime if you fess up and pay.

 

Sort of. They concurred with the result

Federal pardons don't reach state crimes so... no I don't think that will happen and you should stop watching mainstream news like CNN or Fox because they're not news they're propaganda.

 

ROFLMAO!!!



How sweet that you think he's clean. So sorry that you don't see him for the lifelong crook that he is.

 

Your finances are only public if you a) publicize them yourself, like every president and most presidential candidates have done sonce Nixon, or b) if your businesses are under investigation, like Trump's, and your financial documents are subpoenaed, in which case you are required to disclose that information to the court.

Trump was fighting such a subpoena, and he lost.

 

The decision means that Trump has to turn over his financial documents to the lower court that 7sdued the subpoena. Once disclosed to the court, a trial takes place and those records become part of the court record. Once part of the record, anyone can invoke the FOIA and see the documents. So yeah, they'll eventually be public, but since Trump is the king of court delays, I won't hold my breath. Maybe some time next year.

 

Seem to remember Rachel mado having his returns and drooling all over it saying this is it we've got him now and it turned out to be nothing

 

The New York court legally subpoenaed Trump's financials, and he was trying to deny the subpoena and not comply. SCOTUS has said that he must, so now he will have to disclose those documents to that lower court.

The other decision denied the subpoenas that came from various congressional committees. Badically, the SCOTUS told congress that their subpoenas were too broad in scope, and they must go back to the drawing board and resubmit them with applicable details about why they need to see each document or set of documents.

 

Trump's businesses are under investigation by New York courts. His financial records are necessary for the case to proceed. If you received such a subpoena, you would have to comply, or go to court and make a case for why you shouldn't. Trump took it all the way to the SCOTUS and they slapped him down.

If it were political, would the result have been a 7 to 2 decision, with 3 of the 5 conservative justices siding with the more liberal justices?

 

It probably won't be a factor. Trump is the undisputed king of court delays. We won't see his financial information until maybe sometime next year, and hopefully he won't be president anymore.

 

And it is bonkers for Trump supporters to claim that this ruling amounts to "unreasonable search and seizure." Especially since the SC also clarified that Trump still has all of the same tools at his disposal to challenge subpoenas as any of us do.

 

"... the efforts against Trump are unprecedented" because we've never had such a crook in the office. Even Nixon was a boy scout in comparison.

Trump brought all of this in himself. The worst decision he ever made was to run for president, with a closet virtually bursting with skeletons.

 

They confirmed no such thing. SCOTUS said both sides arguments were good and, at the same time, deficient and sent it back to the lower court for a do-over. The legal argument from Trump's side agreed to by the Court is that a president IS NOT subject to all of the same laws as everybody else. Never has been; just a well accepted mythical meme.