CDC admits to vast over count of deaths

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful and widespread force.

 

Also I’m wondering if comorbidities were accounted for in seasonal flu or even rhinovirus that can often lead to pneumonia and death.

Probably not as testing was never done for these conditions.

My grandmother was in her eighties and caught a cold and died from the complications of pneumonia long before covid.

Her immune system was weak.

This virus attacks weak people because it is a weak virus.

How much more obvious can this be?!

 

He said... howling into the wind, even when faced with the actual evidence that contradicted his point entirely.....

 

Hmm.. what is dangerous is your egregious lack of knowledge. that you would attack this study as "dangerous" tells me you're vastly more interested in the financial payout than actual science. Your example of HIV is grossly mistaking the facts. Folks don't die from HIV. They die from the auto immune deficiencies syndrome they develop as a result of the virus. For your assertion to be correct, WuFLU wouldn't actually be able to kill you directly. since it actually does, and no additional comorbitieis were found in those 6% of cases, for your correlation to be valid, at least that many HIV deaths would have to have occurred, which, clearly, they have not. So perhaps the only real danger here is your unwillingness to be honest or informed.

 

If you have a few months to live and happen to catch Covid, is it the cause of your death? If you get shot and have Covid is it the cause of your death? Hospitals have been counting EVERY DEATH as a Covid as long as any symptom can be traced to it. In beginning even if there was no test and no proof Covid deaths were being counted so hospitals could get reimbursed. I’ve spoken to Doctors who were told to do this by administration. And Doctors have admitted it as well.

 

I know very well the daughter-in-law of a doctor telling the same story.

Plandemic. Indoctornation.

 

Fake news. The CDC backs me here, not you. I've pointed to the evidence that contradicts your point entirely while addressing how you guys are misrepresenting the above. In other words, I'm not the one howling into the wind here.

Please listen to the science, not the Twitter folks blatantly misrepresenting the data. Is this doctor howling into the wind?

youtube.com/watch?v=fsVhY6QAzrU

TL;DR - the people misrepresenting this data are trying to claim that if COVID causes fatal pneumonia or a fatal heart attack, then COVID shouldn't be counted as a cause of death. That's lunacy. Think critically.

 

Listen to real doctors, not fringe conspiracy theorists.

 

I get that. Then again we're all mortal, and we're all gonna die from mortality. But if you kill everyone, you don't say they died from natural causes and wash your hands of it. You say they died prematurely from murder. Likewise if someone with heart or lung disease who is taking care not to do anything to overtax their weaknesses, catches covid which then overtaxes their heart or lungs, causing them to die. You would accredit their death to covid, because their death was premature, wouldn't you? After all, it does kill perfectly healthy people. So you cannot say that it is benign in influence on health.

 

Does the US have an equivalent of the National Council for Statistics that we have in the UK they look at the five year average of the number of deaths in the UK currently we are about 60,000 deaths over the five year average, I think this is a better way to work out the actual number who are dying due to corvid.

 

Yep. The CDC measures that. Those excess death studies show that we've actually been undercounting the COVID deaths. The "official" number is lowballing.

Here you go: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

Excess death studies show we have undercounted the deaths, not overcounted. If these were all mostly people who would have died this year anyway, then there would be no excess deaths.

 

Exactly, this shows the true consequences of corvid and I cannot think of a logical reason to argue against it.

 

The very words you replied to:

Did you know HIV doesn't actually kill anyone? People who have it die from the most general of bodily infections but when death happens we obviously attribute it to HIV.​

Seems to me the 'danger' is in failing to read, ya know, seeing as how that's what I said. And what "financial payout" do you refer to, I'm not being paid to post.

 

The NCHS Chief of Mortality Statistics is also calling this fake news, btw. But I guess he's just howling in the wind, @drluggit

"It’s kind of ridiculous, because if they took the time to just read, they’d understand a little better what’s going on here"

https://factcheck.afp.com/trump-retweets-false-claim-cdc-cut-covid-19-death-toll-94

 

And while I'm inside avoiding the science-deniers maybe I decide its time to start voting for people who will force COVID mitigation compliance. Maybe I figure the risk of COVID outweighs the risk of open borders, defunded police departments, and all the other joy Marxist-socialism has to offer. Maybe I'm not alone in this thinking. Maybe I and others of like-mind are in key battleground districts and battleground states that President Trump and the GOP Congress need to carry. Maybe you and others are severally underestimating what we're willing to trade in order to squash this pandemic.

 

Yes such stats are kept. And one would think that it would be a key factor/filter for assessing and narrowing the gravity of the matter concerning covid. But I've not heard it officially mentioned. Though a few in these forums have done so to bolster their own opinions on the topic.

 

According to several reports/claims, Russian’s doctors have mainly labeled their Covid19 deaths as “Pneumonia” and their 2019 Pneumonia/Influenza death rate amounted to 16.5 deaths per 100,000

Thus, what will people conclude if their 2020 Pneumonia/Influenza death rate increased from 16.5 to 100 deaths per 100,000?

Well folks, The CDC will publish their 2020 mortality rates/causes of deaths by mid 2021, and no doubt, there will be several abnormalities.

Until then, I wouldn’t lose any sleep.

 

Here's Fauci debunking this claim as well:

 

More debunking:
https://www.wfla.com/community/heal...-not-reduced-death-count-related-to-covid-19/
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-did-not-quietly-adjust-us-coronavirus-death/

 

Do you not see the error in this thinking? Our bodies are complex machines operating with an intricate chemical balance. There's always going to be an "underlying condition" to dying because literally everything that kills you does it in a way that impacts multiple systems producing multiple conditions that lead to the final state known as death. If anything this shows us just how deadly COVID is because these comorbidities are now all the more fatal compared to before.

And one other thing: its not the deaths that will scare people into voting for VP Biden, its the GOP's dismissive attitude towards them. Fake news like this article, trying to convince people that 96% of the COVID deaths were going to happen already, are you kidding me with this, freakin kidding me with this, really? This is a dangerous lie and the anti-masking science-denying reopen-crusaders don't need any more excuses to blow off the guidelines and exacerbate this pandemic, but hell now they have one. If we get a 'President Biden' I'm telling you it will 100% be due to a small amount of mid-line voters like me who are willing to put up with the radical progressive Marxist left in order to get people into power that will get tough on COVID.

 

And that's not going on here. The table being referenced is for comorbidities -- interrelated conditions. You are more likely to die from COVID if you have a heart condition, but that doesn't mean the COVID wasn't a cause of death.

 

Thread win. Tell it like it is and stick it to those people who spread their propaganda because they BELIEVE is helps getting Trump reelected.

These people need to think: 6 million people positive. They probably each know 10 people closely. That means 60 million people were affected indirectly. These people will feel insulted by the Trump machine's efforts to downplay this disease and minimize the impact of these deaths. Anyone really should be insulted by this.

 

Over 180,000 dead already and it isn't even fall yet. We'll likely see a spike in fall and winter. There's no way we are closing out the year with less than a quarter million dead at this point. And medically illiterate propaganda like that in the OP will only cause it to spread more. It's time that people admit this is a serious virus.

 

I do. I also listen to EMT types. They've been talking quietly about Scamdemic for 5 months or more. They were right.