Majority of Young Adults Live w/ Parents as Economy Fails Them

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  1. crank

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    Exactly. The belief that everyone wants to 'work' is absurdist. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    The problem with these UBI types is that they completely ignore human nature.

    None of their ideas stand up in the face of that human nature, so in order to keep believing they must convince themselves we're all exactly the same. Like hard-working robots - lined up raring to go, just waiting for that lucky break :D
     
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    You mean like kids doing as suggested and taking future friendly trades and degrees, and staying at home til they're debt free and raking in the dough? Those kinds of things?

    Or are you talking about kids taking useless degrees, moving out and paying rent they can't afford on top of their student debt, then hoping someone saves them?
     
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    Until people stop depending on "Government" to save them from everything, including themselves, we will continue to have economic problems. Some of the problems we have to day were brought about by the FDR Administration.
     
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    Let's see FDR has been dead for 75 years and he saved capitalism The capitalists have never forgiven him.
     
  5. Richard The Last

    Richard The Last Well-Known Member

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    He didn't save capitalism; he killed it very slowly.
     
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    Hmm.. ok, so why don't we just call it, folks back to work after democrats hysteria killed their jobs. That sounds awesome. Thanks for the suggestion.
     
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    Because the poor can be exploited for.working poor labor.. It's capitalism stripped of morality and responsibility to the society it inhabits.
     
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    I predict nothing is going to change until the older generation all dies off, and the new generation of voters comes into the majority, holding a lot of resentment from their growing up experience.

    The two most powerful emotions driving politics tend to be fear, and apathy.

    The latter seems to be what's happening here. "I'm not personally seeing a problem, so why should I care?"
     
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    You didn't answer the question. Let's try again:

    Why do sweatshops exist? Why are they started, and why do they keep operating?
     
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    That kind of apathy is less dangerous than the following kind:

    "I shouldn't have to do for myself"
     
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    I suspect that if the truth could be known, men and women from EVERY generation before you has felt the same way. Alas, life is cruel and politics illusory.
     
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    I believe young people living with their parents for longer periods of time is the new normal. Why? Because the middle class is being hollowed out. We are headed for a society with a few thousand wealthy people at the top, and millions of poor people at the bottom.
    Those poor young people will not be able to buy a house or pay high rents. Thus---they will live with their parents longer.
     
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    Quantify this. Cite your sources.
     
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    I would like to agree with you but then we both would be wrong. I know a lot of people who are looking for skilled labor. Roofers, electricians, plumbers, welders, pipefitters, painters, siding, window and door installers, concrete finishers, brick layers, etc. These are all good paying jobs. Drawback - they require work, getting dirty and long hours. I talk to people all the time who tell me they cannot find people to take these jobs. Other people people tell me that they have to wait weeks in order for people to come to their house and do work. It sort of upsets me because if I was physically able I would jump on these jobs. I have even had a couple of my friends tell me that they are willing to hire and train them if they would apply. I thought maybe a lot of this was hype but I have told a lot of young men that so and so was hiring and they will not make the effort to even check it out. They tell you their happy do what they are doing making $10 - $11 an hour. I just shake my head. I do believe a couple things that are holding them back is a lack of self worth and a comfortability of living at home. I have 6 grandchildren who all have jobs but are still in the nest. One has 3 years of college and works as a locksmith helper and has made no move to finish that forth year.
     
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    The majority have no life skills. A lot of the fault lies with the parents who cannot let go or don't know how to move them out of the nest. If there are any young ones reading this thread, the reality is, you don't start out at the top. Expect to live in a house or apt. smaller than at home.
     
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    When you get big economic dislocations, it takes time to smooth out the bumps.

    You are looking at one slice of the economy, a slice that's dependent on what I call the paper economy. That can change overnight with changing financial fortunes. Housing investment below the median income will continue it's decline.

    Manufacturing jobs are in decline, more from automation than foreign competition. But there it is, millions of lost jobs.

    When I talk about stuff, my habit is to lay out a way to fix it. I know it's not going to happen, we're too corrupt.

    But this disease has shoved us into a new era. Good jobs will be scarce, and often not a dependable income, the way jobs used to be.

    There's no easy answer here. There are any number of long term investments we can make as a country, in people, in R&D, in infrastructure. But they aren't quick fixes.

    You won't accept this, of course. But the reality of it will be relentless.

    I am genuinely sorry.
     
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    Greedy corporatism is killing capitalism
     
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    Trump declared the national emergency and release the Coronavirus guidelines to the States to shut down

    did Trump fail to lead during this crisis?
     
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    Any adult with critical thinking skills can see what is happening to the middle class in this country. What is the current unemployment rate? How many people have lost their jobs in the last 5-6 months? Do you think those jobs are coming back?
     
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    Life skills are not the issue. The issue is that many entry level jobs have disappeared this year. Many businesses have went bankrupt/closed down.
    It's not the young people's fault.
     
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    Ah - you cannot quantify your claims - rather than verifiable and empirical evidence, you base you statement on what you claim "any adult" can "see".
    As I guessed.

    Wear a mask. Remains socially distant. Stay safe.
     
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    1. What are we really teaching in our schools? Are we teaching life skills or have we made social skills more important? When we say "no child left behind". What does that really mean? Does it mean we pass a child along from one grade to the next and failure is not an option? Do we lower the bar on the curriculum?

    2. Is it fair to the students to handcuff the teachers and administrators from dealing with disruptive children? Should not parents or guardians be held responsible for the education of their children? Should we not be doing more screening of students to find out who is more qualified for higher education and those who may have an interest in the trades. Why do we not set up partnerships with business that allows them to work one half day a week to learn a trade and make a little extra money. Upon graduation the companies can bring them in under an apprenticeship with advancements and pay increases?

    3. Teachers and schools need to be held accountable for results of their students. No one should have tenure. Teachers and administrators should be able to be let go if they are not doing the job. Teachers should be safe from unruly students and parents. Parents should have the option of school choice if their child is not getting a proper education. All curriculum should be available for review by the parents and approved by such. We need to teach truthful facts and avoid omission of history for the purpose of political correctness.

    4. Government, business, education and interested parties need to form a round table to implement programs and offer input not only for the present but for an outlook on what industries will need in the future.
     
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    I don't know where you live but that is not true in my area. We need skilled workers. Yes, restaurants and jobs in hospitality, are scarcer. For many these are seasonal jobs and they would be returning to school anyway.
     
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    As with everything about dealing with folks like the above, there is never a case where they will own any part of their participatory responsibility in resining the lives of folks their policy has negatively effected. Only transference will ever be the response. And this is typical. I never expect that Anyone other than a president could make choices at any level of government, including say mayors of cities that refuse to keep the peace on their own, so given this level of hands offishness, let's just enable the president then to make those decisions for them. I expect Gavin, Cuomo, the Librarian et al will be perfectly fine with how Fresh Air has determined they cannot be trusted to accomplish what is so obviously Trumps role to fix. Ta Da.
     
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    Actually Trump left it up to the States as they saw fit. Which was the Constitutional way to do it. He could stop air travel from other countries and shut the borders? Which he did.
     

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