GOP Politicians Hate Small Business

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  1. Ddyad

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    Pork is not a matter of time. It is a matter of political corruption, and that corruption is obviously very bipartisan.

    How long does it take to read a 1 (One) sentence bill? ;-)
     
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    The only blanks or the bill number etc. IOW, it is a draft.

    This is the relevant language:

    "Making appropriations for Pandemic relief for the American Productive Working Class.
    1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the following sums are appropriated, out of any money in the Treasury to send every American who reported income in 2019 on their 1040 Form A BIG GREEN USG CHECK for $2,000.00 every month for SIX months."

    Of course, a people who have been conditioned to accept 6000 page laws will choke on something as specific as a one sentence appropriation bill. Americans have seen so much artful verbose corrupt legislation that anything direct and precise has to be something of a shock.
     
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    More likely because Republican politicians that run the Senate, like the Democrats who run the House, are pleased with the results of this election and have no interest in exposing any criminal fraud that would undermine the results. ;-)
     
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    I suspect our RP leaders fear and loath Trump at least as much as the Democrats he has repeatedly humiliated.
    I doubt that Trump has any real friends in Washington - certainly no more than a handful.
     
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    If it's simply a draft you are passing around then it's never going to be voted on and you specifically asked why something like this isn't voted on.

    Now you have your answer.

    And I guarantee you that the first senator you hand that to is going to throw it right back and tell you to complete it.

    Besides, legislation doesn't work like that, the committees actually produce the bill, or rather the congressional leaders do.

    They are given various recommendations, like yours, then go behind closed doors to produce it. Oftentimes the congressional leaders will have worked out what it will say but sometimes they wait and see what is produced.

    So you wouldn't be showing your draft to anyone other than the leader of your party who would submit it for consideration.

    Even then, spending bills, before they are brought to committee need to go through the party's own procedure. This is why it takes so long to get anything through especially when a committee has more than one piece of legislation to analyze.

    This is why congress combines as much as they think the can into one bill and this is one of the big responsibilities of Pelosi and McConnell. They need to ensure that the correct stuff is added to a bill to make it easily passable, when and how to submit bills, what to prioritize and what to hold off, trying to work out what the other side wants to figure out if there can be a compromise and this is just a normal day with no national emergencies going on.
     
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    Not long but for that one sentence to go through the entire process is the same as any other bill.

    The process for getting legislation to the floor doesn't get any quicker simply because you have less words in it lol.
     
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    So, your objections are procedural. IOW, that our politicians have no inclination to pass clean bills.

    Of course they do not want clean bills. Our legislative process is down and dirty, and everyone knows it

    “[T]he running existential contradictions of D.C., a place where “authenticity and fantasy are close companions”, as the Washington Post’s Henry Allen once wrote. It misses that the city, far from being hopelessly divided, is in fact hopelessly interconnected. It misses the degree to which New Media has democratized the political conversation while accentuating Washington's insular, myopic, and self loving tendencies. It misses, most of all, a full examination of how Washington may not serve the country well but has, in fact, worked splendidly for Washington itself– A city of beautifully busy people constantly writing the story of their own lives.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 10.

    My "clean" one sentence bill would attract bipartisan voter support, and bipartisan opposition from the corrupt political class.

    That is why the RP run Senate would clearly rather lose the GA Senate races than introduce such a bill.
     
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    In fact the Congress creates 6000 page laws because there is money in it. It is called political corruption.

    “Republicans formally took over the House that Wednesday, January 5. … Such benchmark days in the institution mix a sense of slight renewal with a hammering sameness. Former members and sparkling lobbyist and musty perennials wander the wide halls past lost newcomers. Voters might have turned out the old and the entrenched in the wave election of 2010. But one of the palpable messages of a day like that says that Club membership is for life.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p.199.

    Voters are beginning to catch on. Hence the ever more pressing need for rigging elections.
     
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    On Twitter, WalMart openly boasted they won the election, chastising a Republican in Congress for not conceding Trump lost. WalMart quickly pulled down that admission.

    Yes, the richest corporations and people on earth "won" the presidency with the greatest voter fraud organization in US history.
     
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    Amazon, Target and Walmart et al may compete with each other, but they all hate Trump and love the CCP.
     
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    In addition small business is the linchpin of capitalism and free private enterprise. If one wants to rid society of capitalism, what better than to destroy small business?
     
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    Trump promised to drain the swamp which consists of almost as many Republicans as Democrats.
     
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    You will have that in all political systems.
     
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    Trump apparently believed, like many Republicans, that the USGs secret police/spy agencies were not part of The Swamp. More proof that the GOP will always be The Stupid Party.
     
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    Honestly, I don't think anybody in power is interested in killing capitalism. No doubt there are fringe political hacks that claim to want it. Much of the problem come from Bernie Sanders calling huge government social spending by the term democratic socialism. True socialism can't be democratic as we all know. This misnomer has hurt Sanders and the left in general but it is still a misnomer. It is about bigger more powerful federal government against smaller less powerful government. Unlike the people in power, I fall in the latter category like you do.
     
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    Amazon and all the other Big Business Rivers need to be diverted into thousands of small trout streams suitable for fly fishing.
     
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    Communists love Big Business. See Communist China.
     
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    Communism likes government owned business (socialism). Lucky for the Chinese they have a basically capitalist economy under the guise of socialism. Certainly they have an authoritarian government. I believe the communists have maintained power by allowing private enterprise in their economy. They are smarter authoritarians than most.
     
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    Trump's one major mistake was in the beginning of his term when he decided he had to go easy with the opposition (and the swamp) early on in a kind of a reach across the aisle (and to his Republican opponents) to gain some credibility. He was enlightened sometime around April when Rush Limbaugh informed him (on the golf course) that the opposition hates him and will always hate him no matter what. Good advice. Reminds me of a corporate executive who had the philosophy that, "when you get your opponent down, never ever let him get back up."
     
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    I tend to somewhat disagree. The Democrats and the left want totalitarianism and free private enterprise aka capitalism, especially small business, is an anathema. Socialism is a secondary but natural outgrowth, though espousing socialism is a little more palatable than espousing totalitarianism. No astute American politician loudly advertises their intent. Why are some governors doubling down on shutting down many small businesses when it has been shown -- and the UN's WHO now agrees -- that lock downs have little to no affect on the pandemic?
     
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    Marx, Engels and Lenin, like the American Founders, knew that the state and its minions functioned as dangerous "parasites" on humanity.
    Much of what still passes as a "progressive" movement ignores the lessons of history.

    "How self-government is to be organized and how we can manage without a bureaucracy has been shown to us by America and the first French Republic, and is being shown even today by Canada, Australia and the other English colonies." "The State and Revolution", VI Lenin, Penguin, 1992, Lenin, 66.

    They did not believe a revolution was justified in America until Wilson expanded the bureaucracy to enter WWI.
     
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    Rush was right. DJT was a slow learner.
     
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    The governors are doubling down because they have a chance to exercise their new found authoritarianism. I think thinks would be more clear if we stopped calling it socialism. It is really just hardcore social spending under whatever economic system we have.
     
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    China is not communist. It is a totalitarian kleptocratic police state blended with capitalism. China could be described as a totalitarian kleptocratic fascist country, not a communist nor socialist country.
     
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    China definitely has a communist authoritarian government. It's economy, though, is basically capitalism with big brother watching. Most communist countries embrace socialism and then get authoritarian in order to maintain it. They all fail. No socialist economy has ever survived. Both China and Russia have succeeded by allowing capitalism.
     
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