Was Jesus aware of being Yahweh?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Greatest I am, May 11, 2020.

  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,306
    Likes Received:
    7,613
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Regardless of the "J",
    the Lord in the flesh happened.
    His weakness was of the flesh.
    Per original dialog above.
     
  2. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not a word about your garbage morals.

    Enjoy serving your genocidal master.

    Get thee behind me. Satan.

    Regards
    DL
     
  3. Cougarbear

    Cougarbear Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    2,450
    Likes Received:
    1,146
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeshua, Yawyeh, Joshua and many other names of our Lord and Savior depending upon your language. So what? Today, He likes the name Jesus Christ and wants us to use it. He restored his Church in these last days with this name. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Scholars get all hung up in the weeds instead of the plain and precious truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ (Jesu Christo or whatever) Dumb argument only scholars could get off on.
     
    Injeun likes this.
  4. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because it decides if god is a man or something else.

    It is the boundary between mythos and logos, reasonable thinking and supernatural belief thinking.

    Regards
    DL
     
  5. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Really?

    I recall bible Jesus saying he had come to serve Here, one might think you think Jesus wanted the opposite of what he said he wanted.

    Jesus would say; Do not call me Lord.

    Regards
    DL
     
  6. Cougarbear

    Cougarbear Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    2,450
    Likes Received:
    1,146
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    A prophet boy of 14 saw the living Godhead of the Father and Jesus. They have physical bodies of flesh and bone. They are eternal and immortal bodies of flesh and bone. Jesus even let people handle his resurrected body. He ate with a couple of disciples. Don't have to go into a swamp of overlearned nincompoops to know the answer.
     
  7. Cougarbear

    Cougarbear Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    2,450
    Likes Received:
    1,146
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Where did he say not to call him Lord? He said that if you are going to call me Lord, then do what I said. Heck, he gave parables about lords of vineyards and so on as analogies about himself.
     
  8. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Show where Jesus acted like a Lord.

    When did you start doing what Jesus said you should do?

    Regards
    DL
     
  9. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Last edited: Jan 5, 2021
  10. Esdraelon

    Esdraelon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2020
    Messages:
    860
    Likes Received:
    710
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Male
    He called HIMSELF God. The Jews only knew the Father as the great "I AM".
    Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and You have seen Abraham?”58“Truly, truly, I tell you,” Jesus declared, “before Abraham was born, I am! ”
     
  11. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Who is Yahweh?

    I should need ask nothing else.

    As to I am. Standard Gnostic Christian fare. Not standard Christian fare.

    Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

    You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

    The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

    In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

    That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

    Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

    Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.


    Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.


    The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

    Regards
    DL
     
  12. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It shows a weakness, selfishness, that can and is exploited by Satan, --- against a weak Yahweh.

    Regards
    DL
     
  13. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Yahweh is not weak. Yahweh is Jesus, who came to earth to save us and teach us how to live.

    https://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/jesus_is_yahweh.htm

     
  14. Esdraelon

    Esdraelon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2020
    Messages:
    860
    Likes Received:
    710
    Trophy Points:
    93
    Gender:
    Male
    Well, neighbor, those "myths" have given comfort and been responsible for MUCH of what is good in the world. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I am definitely an imperfect, sinful man. I think the disconnect between folks like myself and those like you is a simple enough concept. I believe and am attempting to have relationship with the Creator God - the Christ - and those who worship their own erudition seem to only desire to minimize or even damage the faith of others.
    If I am misjudging you, my apologies. I have tried to engage with others who speak of faith and never seem to HAVE faith. It's as though they have made a calling out of discouraging faith in others.
    I have no problem with the beliefs of anyone. They make their choice, I make mine. Where we part ways is the place where I'm told that I'm (fill in the insulting description) and I need to seek to be well-read in secular commentary ABOUT faith.

    I see these two verses that describe the scholar who studies the scripture like it's just another textbook vs those who study with a faithful heart, seeking God's face.
    "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

    Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein
     
  15. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    The gnostic gospels are not consistent with Jesus's teachings. They don't mention having a relationship with God and seeking God.

    https://carm.org/lost-books/does-the-gospel-of-thomas-belong-in-the-new-testament/

     
  16. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
  17. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure, like inquisitions and jihads and a religion that abuses all women and gays by their teachings.

    Nice that you can ignore all those victims for so long.

    It shows the corrupt nature of your moral tenets and why Christianity could only grow by inquisitions and murder.

    Regards
    DL
     
  18. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
  19. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2013
    Messages:
    8,344
    Likes Received:
    1,263
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Jesus wasn't Yahweh. Yahweh was the god he worshipped and Yahweh was a son of El. from the Ugarit pantheon. Yahweh was appointed by El to lead Israel. So if you think Jesus was divine he was the grandson of El. But then Jesus was just a Jewish preacher. Nothing to suggest he was divine except Christian teaching and misinterpretation of the OT scriptures.
     
  20. Greatest I am

    Greatest I am Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6,353
    Likes Received:
    695
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I agree, on your last in particular.

    Most see the Jews as worshiping a god, but given that they have had many different ones, and are led by the Pharisees and their oral traditions, and they put man above god, I would suggest that Christianity screwed up the Jewish religio0n when they usurped their god and changed the meaning of much of scriptures.

    For instance, the Original Virtue for man in Eden became our Original Sin.

    Without midrash, Christianity screwed up the interpretations and end with their immoral homophobic and misogynous religion.

    Regards
    DL
     
  21. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    If you dont believe me now, believe me when millions of people disappear and there is a charismatic world leader who will seem to bring peace at first but then there will be persecution of people who believe in Jesus. You can still come to God and even though it will be harder and there will be persecution, it will be worth not selling your soul. Revelation says that nobody can buy or sell without the mark of the beast, but please dont take it. It will be hell at the end of times because all of the persecution. It will be like the Christians in Roman times.

    Please give this this serious thought, because if I'm wrong, it doesn't make a difference in terms of what I have to lose.
     
  22. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2013
    Messages:
    8,344
    Likes Received:
    1,263
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Revelations is simply made up of images from the OT to which the Christian writer added Jesus. The Essenes, long before had written their own Revelations using those images and added Mother Earth. Which do you prefer? In any case Revelations was a tirade against the Roman Empire and its actions of the time. Prophecies are not for the distant future, there are for the time as a warning. If I were to say] that the world would end in 2951 what relevance would that be to today. Jews used picture and poetic language that others did not recognise. If Babylon was the harlot why did Jeremiah tell the Hebrews to settle there, build houses, sow crops etc. It was in Babylon that the Hebrew faith really began.
     
    Greatest I am likes this.
  23. The Amazing Sam's Ego

    The Amazing Sam's Ego Banned at Members Request

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2013
    Messages:
    10,262
    Likes Received:
    283
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Jeremiah wrote about Babylon before the end times regarding Babylon was an issue. Babylon could also be symbolic for a nation or a church.
     
  24. pol meister

    pol meister Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2013
    Messages:
    5,903
    Likes Received:
    2,273
    Trophy Points:
    113
    He wasn't forsaken, he was remitted. He was remitted because he had fulfilled his mission.

    Yeshua said, "To what this thou remit me?"

    For instance, when they speak of divorce, they say that Moses required the husband to grant to his wife a letter of "remittance." Similar to a letter of "dismissal," or a letter of "leave."

    Or when they speak of the remission of sins, the word is really the "remittance" of sins.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remit
     
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2021
  25. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2013
    Messages:
    8,344
    Likes Received:
    1,263
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Exactly. Interpretation of scripture is simply down to the individual. Babylon was not noted for it's decadence any more than other cities. Why the harlot? On the other hand Rome was more like a harlot, even to the extent of recognising marriages between members of the same family.
    The Mosaic law apparently, on the side of the husband, made it as difficult as possible for him to secure a divorce. No man could unceremoniously and capriciously dismiss his wife without the semblance of a trial. In case one became dissatisfied with his wife,

    (1) he had to write her a \BILL OF DIVORCEMENT\ (which see) drawn up by some constituted legal authority and in due legal form. In the very nature of the case, such a tribunal would use moral suasion to induce an adjustment; and, failing in this, would see to it that the law in the case, whatever it might be, would be upheld.


    (2) Such a bill or decree must be placed in the hand of the divorced wife.
     

Share This Page