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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    The 1993-2020 rise in thew number of guns and the drop in gun related crimes proves your "more guns = more guns crime" claim false.
    Period.
    Full stop.
     
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    As I understand it, that is because they must have been, in your case, all licensed/registered gun dealers. But there are others, who are not, "dealers," but who sell guns at gun shows without the requirement of a backround check, are there not?
     
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    There are, and about 0.8% of the guns in the hands of criminals were purchased at gun shows.
     
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    I thank you for your bringing me, and all readers, greater clarity on this issue. While it certainly sounds that you are quoting an authoritative source, would it be too much trouble, if I asked for you to, please, share it with me?
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    So the US has a lower crime rate than Ireland and yet 12 times the gun homicide rate per capita has nothing to do with the availability of guns?
     
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    Since 1986, the homicide rate in the US, according to FBI UCR data, has decreased 42%. Since 1986, we've increased the number of guns in the US by 200 million guns.

    In 1995, the homicide rate in England/Wales was 1.22. In 1996 the UK passed the National Firearms Act. In 2016, twenty years later, the homicide rate in England/Wales was 1.22.
     
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    By all means. I was on my phone earlier and not able to reference my notes.


    https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/suficspi16.pdf
     
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    That's deceptive cherry picking. The gun ownership rate has gone down.
     
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    "But when they looked at victims killed by someone they knew, they found that every 1 percent increase in gun ownership corresponded with a .9 percent increase in murders."
    https://www.armedwithreason.com

    Guns increase the homicide rate.
     
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    Thanks, once again! I did find, in the U.S. Justice Department's report, the only 0.8% of all convicted criminals who bought or traded for their gun at a gun show.
    However, it should be pointed out, if greater restrictions lead to more difficulty for criminals to acquire weapons in other places-- the report listed 10.1% of prisoners who acquired their gun from a, "retail source"-- there is no reason to presume that they could not begin using this outlet, if it is left as one obvious hole in the backround check system.
     
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    That wasn't the claim. I was addressing this: "more guns = more guns crime"

    But according to gunpolicy.org the US gun ownership rate in 1985 was 44.7%; in 1987, 46%. In 2017, 42%.
    https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

    According to FBI UCR, the homicide rate in 1987 was 8.3; in 2017, 5.3.

    You're going to credit a 36% reduction in the homicide rate to a 8.6% decline in gun ownership?

    In 1991 the gun ownership rate was lower than in 2017, yet the homicide rate was almost twice as high.

    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

    What's happened to the gun ownership rate in the UK?

    oh, it's gone down:

    https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

    yet the homicide rate for 1995 and 2016 was the same.
     
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    https://alexandreafonso.me/2016/01/...with-firearms-in-the-united-states-1991-2014/
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    Your own source concedes that in "the United States, the 'gold standard' for national surveys of gun ownership is the General Social Survey" but uses other sources to determine the gun ownership rate for some years.
     
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    Which seems to indicate that they consider the GSS insufficient for their desired level of accuracy. The data also indicates that those 200 million new guns seem to be concentrated in the hands of the right people, given the decline in homicide rate.
     
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    Nothing here addresses, much less negates, the fact that the 1993-2020 rise in thew number of guns and the drop in gun related crimes proves your "more guns = more guns crime" claim false.
     
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    That's all you have in your programing?
     
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    Directly refuted by the fact over 200 million more guns are in circulation since the 90’s and the homocide rate has decreased.
     
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    It's all I need to disprove your claim that more guns = more gun-related crime.
     
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    Which is not enforceable because it will have zero effect on criminals selling illega guns, such a stupid law will only effect the law abiding.
     
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    You mean that limiting cold medicine purchases at Target didn't end the meth industry?
     
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    Now that gave me a good chuckle.
     
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    Because that ended so well under Oby's Justice Dept...
     
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    if chicago has a high gun crime rate but less access to guns, that's their fault. the guns you're claiming come from states with lesser gun laws have...less gun crime than chicago.

    we know who is to blame here and it's obviously not the tool.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    See post #70......again
     

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