I see. Draconian measures with no evidence to support their efficacy. Also lots of evidence states like CA can’t even keep records. What is the point of UBC if we can’t keep records, can’t enforce current statutes, and can’t craft effective statutes now? Adding won’t help. Still waiting for your evidence to support your position.
As I, waiting on your "evidence". I admitted in the "science" hyperlink above the science is still out but "draconian measures" is hyperbole because many states have UBC and they have not crash and burned. Enforcement and recording can always be improved. Staying as is has not helped but has had the negative effect.
I need to see evidence “as is” is responsible for a negative effect. How have you controlled for all the other factors that cause “negative effects”?
Asking me a question is not evidence. Ammo I need now is not for sale anywhere at any price I can find. I’m asking you for evidence. Show me that being able to purchase ammo causes gun violence.
Show me a gang banger with a record buying as much ammo as he can afford for his illegal gun on ammotogo doesn't contribute to gun violence. That is laughable.
No, that’s not how this works. You show me that access to ammo does contribute to gun violence. My town has the same access to online ammo as any city with bangers. No gun crime here. Obviously it isn’t access to ammunition causing the violence. Take Chicago for instance. They have laws prohibiting online purchasing of ammo. They have loads of gun violence. No restrictions where I live. No bangers shooting each other or innocent kids. Just doesn’t happen.
how many crimes have been caused by someone who bought ammo on line? those who want to ban that are invariably those who want to ban gun ownership or at least make it almost impossible to do
I buy ammo online from three-four sources such as MIDWAY USA, Natchez Shooters Supply, PSA and AIM SURPLUS Aim they know me personally since its 10 minutes from my home. the others I had to send a copy of my driver's license to prove I was over 21 (handgun ammo). Most places will not sell it to you unless they have that
Indeed, first you need a violent person who has access to a loaded gun and is willing to use it. That adds up to gun violence. It's ingredients to a recipe. Illinois does have excellent laws that prevent easy access to ammo but Chicagoans can just drive 20 min. to Indiana where there are no state laws restricting access to ammo. All rights are restricted in the name of public safety. The radical right disagrees. There should be no restrictions on guns, that's what 2A says. They choose "freedom" over public safety and enhanced quality of life. BTW 2A also says "well regulated".
Any criminal that wants a gun will always be able to buy one or even worse - make their own from materials available at any hardware store. 10 year olds can and do make submachine guns whenever the brand name weapons are unavailable or too expensive. All gun laws are irrational and dangerous especially during this violent time of cultural decay. A rational government dedicated to protecting and serving the public would encourage ordinary Americans to carry concealed handguns.
I've bought ammo - handgun, rifle, shotgun - from innumerable, well-known places. Not once did any of them ask for ID.
Address the violence problem. Access to guns and ammo is not the problem. Rule of law is supposed to penalize the guilty, not the innocent. When you have restricted access to illicit drugs and alcohol, and complied data showing restrictions on these unnecessary products has benefited individuals and society as a whole, then we can revisit products like firearms that have many legitimate positive uses. It’s very obvious you are not concerned about human suffering or loss of life when you pick firearms as your social justice crusade.
So your argument is laws are worthless and we shouldn't have them? We are in the midst of violent social decay? Don't get hysterical. The crime rate is the lowest in 25 years, maybe you spend too much time on right-wing web sites. What civilized government in the world would encourage an armed population? That is recipe for carnage. A trick question? Do you know where they get their ammo? They do know how to use the internet. Cabela's? I found that laughable because that's going to stop a 17 year old gangbanger after he reads "by purchasing this item you agree you are 21 years...blah, blah, blah"? No. He hits purchase. I suppose you object to having to have a driver's license, pass a driving test and must have car insurance because you're an "innocent" driver. The law needs to just penalize the guilty drivers, right?. I think 2A says "well regulated" in there somewhere. All developed countries have restrictions on firearms and you can't get why they have little gun violence? I seem to be more concerned about human suffering than you.
Last I checked there was no content in the Constitution regarding rights to and/or operation of vehicles. I’m happy to read and comment on it if you can link me to it. Otherwise I’ll just say we already have quite a lot of regulation on firearms. And where some of the regulations are the strictest, we still have the most offenses. Absolutely. To make well regulated militias possible, we must have access to modern firearms equivalent to those possessed by threats to the free state. That’s the point. Not sure how you missed that... Oh, are you one of those ignorant of the Militia Act of 1792 and subsequent revisions of said act including the Dick Act? You think all males 17-46 were intended to train and be disciplined regularly under those Acts? I suspect you may spend too much time on “progressive” web sites. That often leads to a great deficit of actual knowledge on this subject. Nah, if you were concerned about suffering you would expend your efforts on something that causes far more suffering. You are too transparent. I’ve already demonstrated it isn’t restrictions on firearms or lack of them that is responsible for the violence. It’s time for you to accept the fact there are intentionally created demographics in this country that perpetrate violence. Until you address the intentional perpetuation of these violence breeding grounds you will have violence—period. No amount of gun control will decrease the violence. As someone who really does care about human suffering, I prefer we address the real issue, not an inanimate object.
"Show me a gang banger with a record buying as much ammo as he can afford for his illegal gun on ammotogo doesn't contribute to gun violence." you stated this and then have zero evidence of it. you already avoided the fact that women use a gun to defend themselves, I guess you're ok with them being victims.
All laws that deny fundamental human rights are a grave threat to humanity. There is no rational excuse for any law that reduces the right of human beings to arm and defend themselves.
With the car analogy I was pointing out we all, who live in a society, must take the rights/safety of others in our society into account. The OP was about keeping guns out of the hands of the non-law abiding. The resistance from the "law abiding" is impressive. Illinois has some very good laws but the rule of law is weakened by the surrounding states, which can be remedied with national laws. I'm aware the militias morphed into the National Guard and thanks for your condescension but many of your compadres seem to think citizens are the militia. I don't know what you mean by" intentionally created demographics in this country that perpetrate violence". Most violent crime is perpetrated by those near or in poverty. Are they intentionally created? Is there a conspiracy I don't know about? Other countries in the developed world have poverty and strict gun control and little gun violence....it's just math. Your "inanimate object" is not innocent. It is a tool designed specifically to kill efficiently. I axed my homie and he likes cheaperthandirt. Are you trying the feminist card? They also get them taken away from them and then beaten for upping the confrontation. No one is even talking about denying fundamental human rights. There are a lot of laws that reduce access to firearms and they are all irrational? Someone's not rational.
I agree. We must take into account the rights of law abiding gun owners and allow them to see to their safety. LOL. When the National Guard was “formed” under the Dick Act, the unorganized militia was “formed” as well. This was necessary to allow militias to function as originally intended—an impediment to the federally controlled military having a power monopoly. And yes, the unorganized militia is citizens. The condescension was an echo of you telling another member they spent too much time with right wing media. I’m sorry it’s only offensive when directed at yourself but since you felt the need to interject it into your conversation with another I felt it wasn’t out of order in this case since you are quite uninformed. You are still unable to offer evidence any militia since 1792 has been entirely “well regulated”, but you are in good company—none of your compadres can either. You should probably spend a little time researching what demographic is responsible for and suffers most from firearm violence. It’s not specifically the impoverished. I don’t know of any conspiracy really, but generational poverty is heavily “subsidized” by our government. Go ahead, look up what demographic actually separates us most from other countries statistically. No it isn’t just math. I’ve already proven prevalence of firearms and ease of purchase is not causal to violence. There are far too many factors involved to unequivocally state gun control and gun violence have an inverse causal relationship. Here is a little example from the good old USA on how the two are not as closely related as you have been led to believe. Continuing... Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5425882/ If inanimate objects are guilty, I suggest suing them in civil court or pressing charges in criminal court. LOL Would you believe me if I told you there are firearms regulated by the ATF and subject to background checks etc. under law that are specifically designed and manufactured to efficiently save and prolong life and improve quality of life?
so you have no evidence regarding who gets ammo from where. Got it. now women are too weak to defend themselves with a gun? The gun that equalizes them with a stronger man? Damn, that’s a woman-hating concept you have there. Don’t give them the means to protect themselves, they’re too weak to use it.
