The AR-15 follies: Here we go again!

Bro I served in the military in the infantry, the ar-15 is the civilian version of the m-16. Armalite made a separate model for the military. Why did they do that? To make it compliant for civilians

 

Okay dipshit live in your made up reality. like my dad always said, never wise up a chump. Even if what you said was even remotely true, the current ar-15 available for civilians is legal. And the Heller ruler will keep it that way because the ar-15 fits the definition of common use firearm.

 

Not at all. There is no compelling government interest to justify any of those laws.

I am 100% familiar with the Heller decision. It recognizes that the Second Amendment protects people's right to have guns to defend their homes and their lives.

You are wrong. Heller paves the way to striking down all gun laws that cannot be justified as serving a compelling government interest.

Criminals have been known to wear body armor -- especially criminals of the sort that carry out home invasions.

The .30-06 is far from ideal for varmint hunting. If you think that it is ideal, you are wrong.

The .22-250 can be used to hunt deer as well. But I would never say that it was ideal for deer hunting.

 

No. Your statement is a red herring. “ it is recognized “ is not a phrase that makes it true that ANYONE can possess and weapon for any purpose.
Anywhere. The second amendment is no different then any other. The majority opinion is explicit as is every decision ever made on firearms. They all suport regulation. Just because you and other gun fanatics want to yell fire, doesn’t mean we should all jump up and leave the movie theater. You obviously choose not to read the decions by the courts.

 

Thanks for the grade elevation above the average gun a holic. Here is one dip ship who can read.

The AR15/ by that name was first developed as a military weapon.. Seems like your dad raised an illiterate. The currant AR15 shares the same platform as the original. Look up what “platform” means in weaponry nomenclature..

 

All the objective reader has to do is just back track and follow the chronology of the posts to see the folly of Toggle Almendro. Essentially, he prefers his own version of history, seldom ever producing any documentation to support it. Then, when facts and logic disprove his assertions, he merely dismisses them in favor of his own version of reality...how things should be according to his mindset, which includes attempts to change the topic/focus of the discussion. Like the former President Trump, Toggle has no interests in the process of how a law comes about in this country....he prefers his own generalized assertion bereft of any factual support. But keep in mind, the logical conclusion of Toggle's screed is a callous indifference as to how many people are killed by the AR-15 and it's cousins since the sunset of the 1994 AWB....it's all about his ideological gun fetish remaining intact (just throw more guns into the mix and everything will work out...except that's what's been precisely going on with an opposite result). One has to wonder what he would say if it were one of his family or friends who were among the victims of mass shootings these past 20 years or so.

Toggle has nothing but repetition, denial and insipid stubbornness to offer at this point....a adept display of the subject title. No point in wasting further time and space on him.

 

See my final response to this joker....he's exactly what the OP and subject title is about.

 

Wrong. It was Colt who bought the rights to make the AR15 and sold it to the public under that. Name. They then sold the same platform to the military under the m16..Armalite made the original AR15 with the “auto sear”.

The main difference is...ONKY THE AUTO SEAR.
“The main difference between an AR-15 and an M16 lies in the lower receiver. M16 lower receivers have a third trigger pin hole for the auto sear, while AR-15 lower receivers do not.”

 

Your service does NOT change the fact as to the original design and usage of the AR-15 for the military. See, there are things that went on before you were born that affect you today. When the military took a pass on the AR-15, it was sold to Colt, who put out the "civilian" version. Thing is, with the various attachments and modifications offered, the AR-15 is a VERY effective weapon for doing what many mass shooters have done with it .... ASSAULT CROWDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE.

I and others have time and again documented the history of this weapon....YOU and your ilk can lie, deny and blow smoke all you want.....the dead and their surviving families tell a different story. That you could care less about that is a moral disgrace.

Oh, and by the way..... http://www.politicalforum.com/index...re-we-go-again.586320/page-27#post-1072562530

 

There are NRA versions of the history of the AR15 that jump right to the Colt AR15 civilian version and m16 in select fire and pretend Armalite never existed.

They can’t hide this simple fact..

They can pretend all they want.
But, the civilian AR15 today and today’s military versions in full auto share nearly every functional part, except for the “ auto sear”. The conversion of the civilian AR15 today to a full auto is a simple part replacement in the receiver and a switch. That’s it....the rest of the function is shared with the military.

This was an original Armalite design in their AR15 .

 

Pointing out that you are wrong is hardly foolish.

Your failure to point out any untrue statements in my posts speaks for itself.

I am happy to provide documentation. What do you have questions about?

No such thing has happened.

There is only one reality. If your claims are contrary to reality then they are rightly disregarded.

I have done no such thing.

I am quite interested in that process, as I routinely help to prevent gun control laws from being passed.

All of my assertions are supported with facts.

Spare me the silly virtue signaling. Callous indifference indeed.

The presence of pistol grips on these guns has not resulted in a single additional death. There is nothing here to even be indifferent about.

It is proper that your continued falsehoods continue to be rebuked.

 

That is incorrect. My statement accurately describes the Heller ruling.

So what?

Who is talking about "anyone possessing any weapon for any purpose anywhere"??

Good.

They support regulation only if that regulation can be justified as serving a compelling government interest.

My complete familiarity with the ruling shows that you are wrong.

Easier said than done, and quite illegal, which is why such conversions are seldom seen in the real world.

Off hand I can only think of two cases of such a converted gun being used in a crime.

 

I’m waiting for a long winded presentation on auto accidents too.

 

There is 10 million ar-15s in civilian hands and that’s never gonna change. Your pointless crusade to get them banned will never succeed because by every definition it’s the most common use rifle in America. It also happens to be the least used weapon in crime, so you literally have no reason to see it banned.

 

Changing the subject ? That’s good. At least now you know we were correct.

 

Have no idea what you’re point is.....unless magically you think it will pop up and make every gun law disappear. Well, it hasn’t as each of the states that have adopted restricting AR15 platform rifles and expanded background checks, are unchallenged or unchanged.

 

That would be a first. Go for it.

 

Not any person, not any place and not with any firearm. Licensed owner, licensed and registered handgun and only in home when unlocked. Geesus, How much more regulation do you need ? I’m happy with it...
That’s nearly as registered as a full auto minus the higher fees. It’s a model for all firearms and all qualified citizens. And, it has to be renewed yearly ? That’s a little too stiff. See if you can make it a little longer.

 

Since when can anyone point out untrue statements in a fairytale to begin with..
The entire narrative is from the wizard of Oz. .

 

Imo, it’s a natural combination with a revolver.
A Glock with its long trigger pull for the first shot is like any double action revolver and is as safe as any double action revolver. Like a revolver which cocks the hammer during the DA trigger pull, the Glock cocks the striker albeit not as far. That’s imo, a good combination in ownership with a revolver.
Imo, the safest firearms are those that function in predictable ways under stress. The only safety I like in a semi auto, is a decocker which just puts the pistol in the DA mode.

 

Your first sentence is a moot point, as any weapon purchased prior to an official gov't ban is legal and protected from confiscation by law. Also, how what's the percentage of those weapons added AFTER 2004?

Your second sentence is a foolish declaration based on opinion, not reality....the 1994 AWB being passed proved that. That your NRA/gun manufacturer/retailer flunkies in Congress fought against reinstatement is why we have an increase in mass shootings by said weapon....a truism you just can't seem to handle.

Your third sentence just displays more myopic meanderings. Again and again, mass shootings done by a particular style weapon is a serious crime...10 or more people killed or wounded/maimed in such shootings is no small deal. Any cop worth his salt will tell you that if that can be prevented, then it should be. Ex-military personnel who saw combat have gone on record being against such weapons being on the open market. Folk like you just don't give a damn about casualties because YOU are not directly affected, so you play the numbers game. And the gun makers/retailers couldn't be happier. Pity I can't put you in a room with the surviving family members of victims or AR-15 caused mass shootings from the last 25 years or so. You'd be arrogant enough to think you'll be doing your "cause" a favor by blowing your smoke until the bitter end. Works for me.

Oh, and since you can't honestly answer the challenge from the previous post, that makes your accusation a lie. Carry on.

 

Your --continue-- to use pidgin logic in your effort falsely equate the AR15, as you use the term in this conversation, to the semi-automatic Colt Sporster and its derivatives.

 

Your --continue-- to use pidgin logic in your effort falsely equate the AR15, as you use the term in this conversation, to the semi-automatic Colt Sporster and its derivatives.

 

You forget that neither the NRA nor the Supreme Court will allow you to violate the Constitution again.

The pistol grips did not cause any increase in deaths whatsoever.

Except it is actually zero more people killed/wounded/maimed.

Pistol grips do not increase the number of casualties even slightly.

It would be OK so long as he had an AR-15 to protect himself with.

 

I was pointing out that you are, once again, completely wrong.

This time the statement that you are completely wrong about is your claim that my statement is a red herring.

Restrictions on AR-15 platform rifles are doomed once the Supreme Court starts enforcing Heller.

No it wouldn't. I've always provided cites when requested.

On the other hand, I don't recall you ever providing a cite for your claim of an 18th century precedent for regulating scary-looking guns.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...re-we-go-again.586320/page-21#post-1072560297

What claim of mine would you like me to document?

You're wrong again. Everything that I've said is true.

Pointing out untrue statements in an actual fairytale is easy, BTW.

No it isn't.

People have the right to defend themselves with rifles and shotguns as well.

Their rights also do not stop once they exit their home. People also have the right to armed self defense when they are out in public.