The AR-15 follies: Here we go again!

The military has never used the civilian model ar-15 ever. The ar-15 is modeled after the m-16 but it does not even function the same way. We would never use it in the military for a variety of reasons.

 

That claim is on its surface nonsense to begin with we won a war with the m1 garand which was did not have high capacity. This whole high capacity magazine making it a weapons of war is just liberal nonsense.

 

Even if the Air Force used the ar-15 on its bases it was never meant as a frontline weapon system. That’s why it was never issues to the army or the marines where most of our combat infantry resides. You know why? Because it was never meant to be a military grade weapon. The m-16 functions differently than the ar-15. It’s build to different specs to make it legal for civilian ownership. The military probably issued them to the POG Air Force bases because they were able to get them cheaply. Not because of any degree or military efficiency. Which is why any actual combat units would never want them.

 

Seriously, the funniest thing I've read today.

 

LMAO, no I take that back, this is the funniest thing I've read today. Even a little girl can use a "high cap pistol".

 

I still have my assalt P-38 can opener with that thing that swings out. Weapon of war?..

 

Like I said, a snubby revolver has little utility in my world. Can’t reliably make shots on moving animals out to 100 yards. A snubby .357 has a bit more energy at the muzzle than what I carry but the trade off is low muzzle velocity resulting in much more bullet drop at longer ranges and more difficult shots on moving targets. Five shots is often not enough rounds in my shooting situations. The perceived decibels of a .357 snubby are ear bleeding range—not cool when doing a lot of shooting without time to put on ears. Can’t suppress a snubby revolver. Most of my shooting must be suppressed for non target animal welfare or to keep target animals from spooking. I have no interest in shooting 50 rounds of .357 M out of a snubby in 15 minutes even if I could hit prairie dogs reliably and they weren’t all scared into their holes by the cacophony of noise. Just sounds like unnecessary discomfort to me.

Meh, you keep your snubby. I’m glad you like it. But for me the only value it would have would be pure self defense and that’s the most unlikely use case for me in reality.

 

Yeh, 1911 as well. Not ever considered hi cap. Good point.

 

in 2020 approximately 287 people died from complications involving inserting foreign objects in their rectums. That is more people than were killed by bullets shot from AR 15s in the last five years. Why do idiots like Biden want to ban AR 15s? it is certainly not due to actual numbers

 

I agree with your general assessment. But it’s shared by all attempts at making concealable 5-6 round 9 mm also which is the rage. Of course they aren’t suitable out to 100 yards. But 100 years is not a self defense situation that any handgun you can easily carry is dependable.

like I’ve said, I have a Glock g26. I have little to no use for it....I’m not a cop anymore like I used to be. It’s a relic im not using. Just wouldn’t carry it with the ease of smaller firearms. Sure, home invasion by multiple assailants is a big stretch. Besides, I can get a snubby into reliable action faster
then any pistol...especially one with a safety.

I practice with target loads in the snubby, finish off with plus Ps. Anything can be used after that. So your displeasure with .357 rounds is not a factor.

Sorry, I’m not into buying a dozen hand guns, one for every situation....

 

You’re response is those of a fool. Completely void of understanding. She’s neither elderly or injured.

 

It's actually pretty relevant in a gun control discussion.

That's ok. The NRA can still block those from being passed by Congress.

Once the courts start enforcing Heller, laws that ban pistol grips and flash suppressors will be struck down as unconstitutional.

The same also for various laws against .50 caliber weapons, and New Jersey's law against hollow point ammo.

May-issue licensing will be a thing of the past as well.

The .30-06 and .270 are very poor varmint rounds.

The .243 is ok, but some people prefer smaller calibers.

The .220 Swift is a high-velocity low-recoil round like the .223 Remington. Everything that the .223 is, the .220 Swift is even more of.

Presumably if you were going to eliminate high-velocity low-recoil rounds, the .220 Swift and the .22-250 would be the first to go.

You just made a point yesterday that the ability to rapidly fire low-recoil rounds was a significant advantage in a gunfight.

Criminals who went to the trouble to stage a home invasion would likely be wearing body armor.

9mm would probably not serve you well. That's a defense scenario that calls for .223/5.56.

 

You’re comments are insane. The initial AR15 full auto sent to Vietnam and the initial m16 are identical but for any minor adjustments and modification they made for reliability, along with cleaner ammo and increased maintenance. It’s no different then using several manufacturers of many the ww2 weapons. Not only that but if you actually read the history.....The air force served on the front lines in many wars....and they were used in Vietnam through 1963 as an AR15. You’re totally delusional. The military doesn’t send soldiers into combat with a weapon with no intent of it being a front line weapon. The AR15 was just renamed the m16. Then, the maker was free to use the relatively minor change to revert back to semi only to be legally sold to the public. Read the effin history books and please don’t make up sht.
“The m-16 functions differently than the ar-15.”
I guess you never stripped one down of each variant. The basic functions are the same except for the exclusion of parts to make it full auto in m16.

 

Totally wrong. Armslite first develop the AR15 as a military firearm. The M16 is a rename of the same weapon made later by Colt. Both when used by the military were full auto capable.

That’s totally delusional. You obviously haven’t read the majority opinion of the Heller decision.

 

You guys read way too many gun mags written to sell firearms at the expense if common sense. Body armor ? Really ? You have something in your house a platoon of criminals in body armor needs ? Right.....a rack if AR15.
A self fulfilling prophecy.

 

In the last 40 years, 31 'assault weapons' were used to murder 411 people in mass shootings.
That's 0.78 rifles per year, used to murder 10.28 people per year.
Whatever point you think you've made, this proves it is a waste of time.

 

What's more laughable?
That you believe Heller upheld licensing and registration.
The court -struck- every firearm regulations put before it and upheld -none- of the firearm regulations put before it.

If that were true, you would not have to deliberately misstate its holding.

 

Which , of course, has nothing to do with the fact the semi-auto AR15, as derived from the Colt Sporster, has never been issued ny any military, and never used by any military to fight any wartime battle.
Your --continue-- to use pidgin logic in your effort falsely equate the AR15, as you use the term in this conversation, to the semi-automatic Colt Sporster and its derivatives.

 

You know why it isn’t and why I’m smarter then you about Heller ? It’s simple. Heller didn’t prevent municipalities like DC from still requiring Heller to register his hand gun and the licensed himself, not only to carry one in his work, but to even have one at home in and unlocked configuration. It’s laughable.....what it can do, is nothing more.

 

You are correct.
And he knows you are correct.
He chooses to be wrong.

 

Nothing here mitigates your intentionally false claim that Heller upheld licensing and registration.
The court -struck- every firearm regulations put before it and upheld -none- of the firearm regulations put before it.

 

I can see hunting is not your thing.
https://www.magzter.com/stories/Mens-Interest/Rifle/Varmint-Loads-for-the-30-06

 

The AR15 was not designed by Armalite to be a civilian model.

 

Which , of course, has nothing to do with the fact the semi-auto AR15, as derived from the Colt Sporster, has never been issued any any military, and never used by any military to fight any wartime battle.
Your --continue-- to use pidgin logic in your effort falsely equate the AR15, as you use the term in this conversation, to the semi-automatic Colt Sporster and its derivatives.

 

Yes, self defense from humans isn’t my first priority. My handgun of choice is suitable for SD but the priority is ability to handle most things that can come up on a ranch.

I have no use for a Glock because they have no manual safety. I like their durability and design but they are not safe for use in my applications.

I’m not a fan of practice with ammo you aren’t using for practical application. I have little time to practice so I want practice to simulate reality. My point with .357 in my application is to shoot prairie dogs you would certainly need the flatter shooting .357 as opposed to .38 special. Shooting 50 rounds of hot .357 in a snubby is not my idea of a good time.

Me either. I own 3 handguns. One for 95% of what I do, one for special CC needs, and one I can and do sometimes carry but is mostly for fun.