Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Perhaps God and Evolution are one !? - Perhaps this is the only way it can be - to make your perspective tenable. hmmmmm

 

Okay, here's one for you. Who does Satan hate more, God or those who worship God?

 

Very good question Injeun! Before I answer your question directly let me just say a few things first. God just couldn't tolerate satan and his evil buddies anymore and so He booted them out of heaven and down to earth. God threw satan out so fast down to earth it was like lightning!

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

18 "Yes," he told them, "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!" Luke 10:18 NLT

satan deserved to be thrown out, I mean he was violent, he sinned. His heart was filled with pride because he was one handsome devil, his wisdom was corrupted by his love of splendor so God threw him to the ground as Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ described it, satan fell from heaven like lightning.

We Read in Scripture:

16 Your rich commerce led you to violence, and you sinned. So I banished you in disgrace from the mountain of God. I expelled you, O mighty guardian, from your place among the stones of fire. 17 Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty. Your wisdom was corrupted by your love of splendor. So I threw you to the ground and exposed you to the curious gaze of kings. Ezekiel 28:16-17 NLT

15 Instead, you will be brought down to the place of the dead, down to its lowest depths. Isaiah 14:15 NLT

Continuing on, satan really hates everyone, he even hates the people who don't worship Almighty God. The only thing he loves is himself. What he wants is for everyone to worship him, while at the same time just hating everyone. He doesn't really care about anyone else but himself... sounds exactly like some people that we all know somewhere...doesn't it?

Below is a link from one of my favorite Christian sites. If you care to read it, it answers the question, "Who is satan in the Bible" it gives you a further look into this nasty, doomed, evil devil (satan).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-in-the-Bible.html

But anyway to answer your question, I will say in my opinion now because this is not from the Holy Bible, I will say that satan hates everyone (Almighty God, people who worship Him and people who don't worship Him)

As far as who he hates more, well I just can't answer that, I mean after all I'm not, I repeat I'm not the devil himself...lol

 

Let me just clarify this statement I made because when I read it over it could possibly confuse you into thinking something different.

The statement is: But anyway to answer your question, I will say in my opinion now because this is not from the Holy Bible, I will say that satan hates everyone (Almighty God, people who worship Him and people who don't worship Him)

The highlighted statement, I'm referring to people who worship/and who don't worship Almighty God. Because it could appear to you that I was referring to satan but I'm clarifying that I'm not at all referring to him (satan).

 

Nice response. Thanks. I was thinking along the same lines as you.

 

Satan is clearly the hero if the story, and one of the few found in such stories. Satan stood up against a tyrannical all powerful god, knowing full well that Satan could not win and would suffer horribly for his moral courage.

 

"Heroic and morally courageous" if treason is your ideal. Surely you jest.

 

No, these are just concepts in your own mind that you are projecting unto the Prophets. It just shows how twisted you yourself are (and those who think like you)....

 

The early Church thought the sun revolved around the earth and put scientists to death for the heresy of saying the opposite. As if science suggested that we weren't that important to God or that there was no God. But here as your post so well reveals, that the expansion or introduction of science and knowledge has actually proved moreso the existence of God or intelligent creation in the orderliness of the universe.

 

Satan does not hate his Father.

 

It sure was be nice if you actually read your favorite ethnocentric ancient Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale. The Abraham character is the most disgusting major character in the fairy tale other than the God character.

 

"Treason" against a tyrant is another word for Heroic.

 

Your twisted delusional mind is confused on who is the good guy and who is the bad guy.

 

What is tyrannous about the gifts of life and life more fully?

 

Is this what is taught in whatever cult religion you belong to? My Christian religion tells me something different than yours. It comes from the Scriptures of the Holy Bible and since the Holy Bible is the Word of God, I wholeheartedly believe and trust it with all my mind, heart and soul.

We have been told that the Father and the Son are one. I don't see any where in Scripture where we are told the Father and evolution are one.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

30 “The Father and I are one.” John 10:30 NLT

 

We are never told that "The Father and Evolution are one" Nor are we told that "The Father and Jesus" are the same .. one in purpose yes . but not the same.

Regardless - what is very strange is I said "Perhaps the Father and evolution are one" - and you say this is a "Cult Belief" and then go on to state that this is your belief.

 

Not confused at all.

The God character floods the world killing everyone but one man and his family, condemns everyone to eternal torment because the first man ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evil (which he therefore can't have known was wrong to do), commands Abraham to offer up his child to die, and will spare you the suffering he says you deserve if and only if you applaud the suffering of the innocent demi-god Jesus character.

In comparison, the Satan character rarely appears in the bible, and when he does he's usually either encouraging people to gain knowledge or to rebel against the tyrant God character. Satan isn't a great hero, but he's definitely heroic for standing up to God knowing full well he can not win.

Seems pretty obvious to me who the good guy and bad guy characters are. The real question is why are YOU confused about this? Is it merely the logic of might makes right? Obey and applaud and call good the one in power, no matter how evil he may be?

Acts of genocide (the flood), murder, condoning and directing how to carry out slavery, and on and on it goes. What would the God character have to do for you to see him as the villain? Is there a line that would be too far for you?

 

Have any of you read the Gospel of Judas?

It makes for a God character who is good (or at least neutral), a Jesus who is good, and the lower God(s) who are not good. It reconciles the vengeful prideful destructive God of the Old Testament and makes for a God who better matches Jesus' kind nature. And it doesn't turn Jesus into a blood sacrifice or declare everyone will suffer in hell, instead allowing those who don't transcend to God's realm to simply cease to be.

The Gospel of Judas does away with vicarious redemption and blood sacrifice, two of the most evil parts of cannonical Christianity. It encourages, more like a budhist would, the connecting with inner peace; connecting to God within man. A much more serene and less hateful holy text.

Imagine how less bloody Christian history may have been if the gnostic texts such as this book won out over the ones that the clergy of the day chose to be cannonical.

 

But it didn't have to be that way. Early Christianity is fascinating, in that they were far from united on what the message should be, and which texts about Jesus were to be considered accurate and holy. Groups like the Gnostics who wrote the Gospel of Judas were less bloodthirsty and more moral minded than the Christians who won out and created the Bible we have today.

Christianity could have been a religion of peace, but ironically, had it been, perhaps it would not have spread so virulently and taken over Rome and then much of the world.

Peaceful religions like the Jains tend to spread less quickly as these people tend to be more likely to tolerate people who believe other things, rather than hunting them down or burning them at the stake (ie, Christianity and Islam in the middle ages).

 

Wouldn't it be wonderful if that's what the Bible was all about? Too bad it didn't turn out that way... at all. Imagine if it said a creator made us and wants us to live life to the fullest, with no demands of obedience to power, and no treating this life as a testing ground for the next life. Imagine if it encouraged us to question authority when authority, including church authority does bad things. Imagine if it went further and said rape and slavery are bad, instead of ignoring them at the best, and condoning and directing them at the worst.

It would be great. Sadly, its not how the Bible reads.

 

What I want and what God wants are two different things. Just because God doesn't want or do what I want, doesn't mean that God doesn't know what he is doing. In theory or conception God is perfect beyond measure or language. He is the epitome of all we hold dear from our deepest recesses to our heights and to which we strive to be or dare to approach. So to say, in a troubling moment, that God is lacking, is to betray our own ignorance and premature conclusions, or to faint on a long and arduous march and then say it was a vain goal as if our lack of capacity should diminish the goals worth. But when our strength returns, we take it up again because we are not alone. God abides. His mercy is everlasting. It is good to read the Bible and learn of others relationships with God. But it is superior to have your own and to better understand the writings of others.

 

If God is defined as all knowing, then God by definition knows what he is doing. Doesn't mean he is benevolent towards us or "good".

Except, Bible God isn't that. Bible God is said to command and require and do things that are not at all what we hold dear or what we should aspire to be. The God character in the Bible is a bloodthirsty and jealous tyrant.

I think the Gnostics are more coherent in their understanding. An actual omnipotent creator God would need no concept of "mercy", because there would be nothing to be merciful about. An actual omnipotent creator God couldn't be offended in the first place by his mere creation. Such an actual highest God would be above and beyond such a thing.

Bible God fits much better in the Gnostic's understanding as a lesser God, beneath the true higher God, and Jesus fits well as a messenger or manifestation of the higher God coming down to lead people away from the lower god and towards the higher God, through internal reflection and meditation rather than engaging in rituals, sacrifices, and obeying preachers claiming to have God's authority. This also would bring an interesting parallel between Jesus and Lucifer.

 

Speaking of Jesus and Satan being parallel, look at John 3:14-15

"14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."

And note that both Satan and Jesus are called "morning star".

 

My understanding or relationship with God isn't based so much on scripture or others testimonies as it is on personal revelation, prayer and reflection supplemented with scriptures. That which makes no sense to me in scriptures or that which appears contrary and contradictory does not change my favorable estimation of God. I merely set it aside. I don't know how much the scriptures are subject to wrong interpretation by translators, language at the time it was spoken or written, and my own misinterpretation. What I know is that there is no error in my knowledge that God is our perfect Father, and that he is loving, wise, merciful, charitable, patient and kind beyond all comprehension. And I know that Satan is the enemy of God, man, and the plan of salvation. He hates our intellects, our consciences, our free agency, and God. I honestly don't know the difference between God the Father and Jesus Christ but by Jesus's mission and life as the Savior. Everything I read about Jesus, his words, life and actions, is astonishing to me. In him I see God the Father in action. Sometimes upon reflection I think I can hear his voice, see his smile, hear his heartbeat, feel his enduring love and something of the depth of his character and fidelity to his Father in Heaven by the submission of his own will to his Fathers. Satan may be your dashing hero. But Jesus Christ is my Savior and cornerstone of all the good that I am or ever will be.

 

Got it MR. In context it was fine in its original form.