Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Oh Certainly, anyone who makes a point you don't want to or can not refute must be "confused". Yes. That will work.

Says the Scripture, which is God's word, or inspired word right? Kind of self serving, don't you think? Why should I or anybody else believe this claim?

Because might makes right? The bible depicts God doing and commanding a wide variety of atrocity. Seeing that you've read all that and believe him to have done all that, and still call him good and worthy of your praise and worship, what would he have to do for you to turn against him?

Is there anything whatsoever you would not do if he commanded you to? Would you kill your family, etc? Do you have any sense of morality except for and independent of obedience to power?

You mean claims he is infallible. Which is weird given he make a mistake here, clearly is prone to fits of jealousy and rage, slaughtering and ordering the slaughter of thousands if not millions of innocent people he doesn't like.

Limited knowledge isn't the only thing that leads to mistakes.

Certainly that's what "regret" means. Ok. It doesn't mean regret. Got it.

Some of us are. Some people in the bible story lived, and others he slaughtered for arbitrary or capricious or malicious "reasons". The Lord works in mysterious ways indeed.

That's a good point. With all knowing, he'd certainly know who would be born thousands of years later and who would be "worthy" of heaven or hell from the point of his creating. So why bother with this test at all? Why have this world and not go directly to Heaven and/or Hell?

This jives well with the gnostic's idea that there are multiple God's and Bible god is the lower God who the higher God sends Jesus to debunk. God often talks about being a jealous God and that there is no other but him, as if he's trying to peddle this to us because we may have reason to think otherwise. There is also the passage in the bible during the creation in genesis where he refers to "we".... as in other gods?

If the God is all powerful, all knowing, etc, then EVERYTHING would by definition be his doing, his responsibility, and where found wanting, his fault. Yes, that would include parasitic worms and bone cancer. Apparently it makes him smile.

Also, I note yet again, that you keep avoiding my initial issue I brought up in this thread, that an all powerful God would not be limited to written or spoken word, and could simply make us know what he wants us to know.

Only if he did so, only if we all knew and agreed on what he wants, only if we had the correct information, could we make an informed decision, and could he then truly judge us based on it.

You pretended earlier that you addressed this, but you never did.

 

This is an explicit false dichotomy error. Yes there is a third, and likely a fourth and fifth. A third would be that the universe has always existed, in alternating periods of expansion and contraction. I'm sure others here can think of yet other possibilities.

It would be better to be honest, and conclude you don't know. I don't know. You don't know either.

 

The Bible as a book was created the 680s-early 690s in response to the Koran, which was written several decades earlier, around 640 AD. The Christians didn't have their stories in one volume and they needed a propaganda tool to counter the Islamic Koran, which was invading Europe. So, they came up with a plan. They decided to work in England, which was out of the way from the invading muslims. They raised a large herd of cattle for the vellum to write on. They assembled a committee of story tellers, writers, and artists and produced three beautifully illustrated master copies in Latin, each weighing about 75 pounds. One copy still survives. There is no earlier Bible on the planet. All subsequent versions are based on the master copies.

The writers had to include examples of genocide so that the preachers could inspire their troops to slaughter the enemy muslims without getting squeamish about it. If God said to do it, then it was OK.

But the writers also included verses that show that the whole thing was just an elaborate prank. In order to see that you have to read the complete Bible and not the Protestant Readers Digest Versions.

 

You might want to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil again. The Abraham character was a scummy evil man. If you had good morals you would know that. He was a liar, murderer, sexual pervert, thief, child abuser.

 

There you go again, projecting.

 

I speak the truth about the genocidal prick you follow and you take offence.

Your god is an offence against justice.

Now tell us why you adore a genocidal god and his misogynous and homophobic religions.

Moral people want to know why you adore Hitler and his god.

You are correct about the fool.

A wise and moral man will say it out loud, as it is a truth that cannot be refuted.

Prove me wrong.

Regards
DL

 

All kinds of supernatural garbage and fools will end in believing in talking serpents and donkeys.

Who is more of a fool?

Regards
DL

 

Good overall thinking buddy.

Christians do not recognize, stupidly, that if there is one supernatural god, then that proof of concept could also be used as proof of many gods.

Think fractals.

Yahweh seemed to fear the other gods mentioned in the first commandment.

It shows a lot of insecurity in Yahweh. Not surprising given his evil nature.

Regards
DL

 

Indeed. Why would an all powerful top God care about or want you to worship him or sacrifice to him? It makes little sense for such a being, who should be above such petty stuff. But for a jealous and lower god, who is lesser than the top one, it makes more sense and is the kind of thing we see in other ancient polytheistic deity rivalries.

 

This^^

Good point.

The top dog should welcome competition as then he would have an opportunity to show his fitness against all comers.

Fear and insecurity is indeed what Yahweh shows.

I think he fears showing up because moral people would kill him.

Not that he exists, but that would be justice.

Regards
DL

 

Enjoy your fairy tale.

 

Ditto.

 

Hey the, you no doubt are confused just like your friends the jolly character, the gab character, the gift character and the greatest i am not character.

The Holy Bible is the Word of God, you wrongly believe it to be a fairy tale when it's a true tale. Here you present this fairy tale of a story and you believe it to be a true tale.

You are indeed confused on whether a story is a true tale or whether it is a fairy tale.

So I have jolly, gab, gift, greatest i am not and the on the confused list in regards to the Christian religion.

You know the, the only people who are going to believe your fairy tale of a story are others like you...confused and foolish!

Get out of the dark the and come into the light! That goes for all of your friends too. The sooner the better for all of you!

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.” John 3:16-21 NLT

 

If your religion (or your false God) could save you....it would probably be from yourself...
since it is man himself who continues to destroy everything he can find....including himself.
The environment may soon be fried to a crisp....and religious folks are looking forward to it.
Seems a bit sadistic...but understandable from followers of a fake God.

 

Note how Mitt completely ignored and avoided my post above to him and failed to respond to anything whatsoever within it, only to declare that I and the others are "confused" because we don't agree with all he says.

In a thread he started (or continued) no less. Invite tough questions, and when you can't answer them ignore them and declare people confused. That alone pretty much sums up this thread, and the approach of Christians such as Mitt here. False confidence and false claims, from what appears to be a false god.

 

If we destroy the earth by lack of care for the environment, if we drive other species to extinction by destroying their habitats, it's all ok because this is just a waiting room for the next life anyway, and God can just recreate this world he if wants to. And if he doesn't want to and humanity goes extinct, that's just God's plan, so it must be good. [/"not-confused" Christian]

 

Yes they've created cover stories for themselves just in case...

They say things like ...."God works in mysterious ways."
Or...."Nobody's perfect".

 

For this is how God showed his cowardice and hate.

Yahweh took eternal life away from man and woman hated his half breed chimera son so much that he had him needlessly murdered, as he could have just returned the eternal life that he had unjustly returned to himself.

All because man can reproduce true and that dick wad can't.

Regards
DL

 

Once again you project your state of being onto other posters "You are indeed confused" which we shall delve into

1) You have no way to actually know for sure whether any of the Bible is "the Word of God" - never mind all of it.
2) It is a demonstrable fact that at least some of the Bible is "Fairy Tale" - such as the long ending of Mark - in its numerous variations - or the last words of Jesus.

3) Which Bible is "The Word of God" as we have many significantly different Bibles - Which version should I read - that contains only the Word of God - nothing added or removed ?

 

Have you ever read the fairy tale? When Adan & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they knew everything that the God character knew about those issues. They became as smart as God so they knew when God was being evil. It seems as if you need to do what they did.

 

That's a new take on the fairy tale.

 

The Bible uses a ton of metaphors that might be hard to relate to. I believe that the talking serpent represents the Egyptian pharaoh, who had a representation of a cobra on his headdress. And remember, the Garden of Eden is in two places in the Bible. The second is with the king of Tyre, who got kicked to the curb for cavorting with a foreign leader.

The Israelites/Hebrews/Jews regarded Gentiles as animals and beasts so the talking donkey was probably referring to a Gentile.

 

Even when taken as symbology, I can't see how it projects any moral good.

Adam and Eve story is about obeying authority and not learning good from bad to form your own judgments. Whoever the snake represents, they are a "bringer of light" and are doing the right thing.

 

"bringer of light" =Prometheus?

 

Gnostic Christians are known for trying to initiate new thinking in astute minds.

We try to see a myths as well as reality from all points of view, without bias.

We are esoteric ecumenists, and only by trying to look at something from different POVs can an issue be fully understood.

I see Jesus saying; dad, are you immoral or what?

I see moral people in the real world saying yes.

Christians think otherwise. That punishing the innocent is ok.

Regards
DL