Training officers are considered higher authorities in order to teach official policy. I can't get over how Chauvin kept moving around, I recall of the two men, Floyd by far was the larger man. If you recall, ahead of Chauvin being present Floyd kept saying he can not breath.
You treat a drugged out huge loon of a man like a threat until he's not one, that's a fact. Police officers are not doctors, it's not up to them to diagnose whatever stupid s*** people take, just get them to the jail or hospitol.
because what job a person does doesn't matter, it's the crime that counts, people are not less a victim depending on the job the criminals has
Floyd was arrested for attempting to pass off counterfeit money. Floyd was not the victim, Chauvin was. Seems many here forgot the trial.
First off since he was saying he couldn't breath when they got him out of the car in the first place he's clearly lying. So, him continuing to claim he cannot breath becomes nothing more than a statement made by a drugged up loon. I saw chauvin take pressure off floyd on several occasions, since the hold really isn't restricting breathing anyway. We need to think about that. When you have a restraint that you know for a fact isn't impeding breathing, how seriously do you take that knowing you're just keeping him there until EMS arrives? I wish I could honestly say what I'd do, but this was not my arrest. I've used that technique without a single problem. If another officer said he was not breathing, or was undergoing cardiac arrest I'd have gotten on the radio for an ETA for EMS and made sure the dispatcher knew the current condition of the suspect. Were he not breathing at all, I'd have kept him cuffed but changed positions and kept another officer facing the crowd. If he had no pulse I'd have started CPR until EMS arrival.
Floyd sounded to me like he knew the old "I can't breathe trick" and used it. It shocked me that during Trial more effort to show he died of natural causes was not presented.
Didn't he start the "I can't Breathe" stuff ahead of being put into the patrol car? My memory can't be that bad. I wondered at Trial why Floyd commenced to not breathe ahead of being put into the car. George Floyd Couldn't Breathe Before He Was Pinned Down by Cops, Prosecutor Says The Hennepin County criminal complaint against ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Michael Chauvin described how George Floyd could not breathe prior to his restraint, prompting legal speculation that the charges against him may not hold up in court. The preliminary findings in the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's autopsy of Floyd "revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation." The prosecutor's complaint noted that Floyd first said he could not breathe several times before he was restrained under officer Chauvin's knee as video footage has shown. Floyd was handcuffed, standing and not voluntarily entering the police car, telling officers he was claustrophobic and unable to breathe. https://www.newsweek.com/george-flo...-was-pinned-down-cops-prosecutor-says-1507608
Yes he did. He also pulled this same stunt when he was arrested in 2019. To be honest, that stunt has been passed from felon to felon for years, along with the "you can't arrest me for that, these aren't my pants" which never once stopped being funny. That article makes a ton of sense. If he truly couldn't breath then how is chauvin responsible for that idiot who was od'ing in the first place?
I never was a police officer but my son in law was prior to his retirement due to on the job injuries. My training in law is not criminal law but I got enough law in college to ask questions in the proper frame as you do all the time.
You just answered my question and showed why I am going out of my way to show people you know better and my quarrel is with Chauvin's continued application on the neck, NOT YOU. That said Buri I respectfully disagree with your personal opinion that Floyd was lying or a drugged out loon, i.e., violent. People having panic attacks hyper-ventilate. This man was hyper-ventilating. He was grosly over-weight, a smoker and panicking when he was beng placed in the car. If he was as violent and loony as you said, he would not have been pleading and explaining his claustrophobia, he would have been in a rage inconsistent with the ability to identify his panic trigger.
With due respect you are cherry picking the medical evidence and he never od'd. Also claiming its a stunt and other people use it means what? You assume he is a liar? You don't err on the side of caution? I am not buying your presumptions to assume he was a liar or your cherry picking only the evidence you like.
floyds' autopsy showed fent, meth, thc, and a variety of items that are narcotics. Fent is a respiratory depressant; https://pubs.asahq.org/anesthesiolo...anyl-Utility-FunctionA-Risk-Benefit-Composite He was potentially violent and his past showed a lot of that behavior. So we know has a violent past, was on dangerous narcotics, and has repeatedly pulled this same trick on law enforcement to delay being processed back into prison life. THe coroners report showed he had those drugs, those medical ailments, and that his heart gave out due to struggling. Now if every time a felon who is on narcotics decides to claim you can't arrest him or put him in a patrol car because he's claustrophobic/can't breathe you let them just sit on a curb, your career is going to really short. Your supervisor is going to remind you that that's a common stunt, and until floyds' condition caused his death that supervisor would be dead right. Your prisoners are going to run off, fight back, and generally treat you like a sucker and other officers will probably get hurt as well as civilians. Your mileage may vary, that's just my opnion having actually done that job for 10 years.
they knew he had a medical issue, that is why they called an ambulance, so they knew they needed to not do what they did due to his condition, and you would not even to that to a healthy person
except they already called an ambulance, so they must have thought some validity to it regardless, no valid excuse to do what the cop did
well then I guess we should just assume everyone is innocent even after convicted, same with Floyd's past right?
They called ems due to clear narcotics ingestion which is common during an arrest. They did not “know what hey needed to not do” just get him seen by medical officials before booking.
