I was just asking a question , too. Now are you going to keep discussing me as a way to avoid answering those inconvenient questions? It is against the rules to dodge having an answer BY DISCUSSING THE POSTER... Decent people DO get defensive when fighting those who want to destroy other people's rights....if that didn't disturb a person there's something wrong with them.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Or if she was raped...????? So you want a rape victim to be executed or given a life sentence for being raped and impregnated and then getting an abortion? And you don't see that as misogynistic? Cruel? Unfair? An impregnated rape victim should be punished MORE than the rapist ?
This is beyond stupid. What makes us human is our capacity reason. We are not deppendent on neither nature nor instinct to survive. We look at what we have and use it in our favour. Why would you even want nature to prevail? If nature was left to prevail, we would still be backwards barbarians living in caves with no fire and not even have drawings on the wall. Banning medical abortion would be a gross violation of rights.
Why do you feel the need to hide behind the many? Don't you have an opinion of your own? What is the definition of murder according to you?
Philosophy is the crucial for a correct opinion on abortion. Religion (i.e. primitive philosophy) is a compass to the wrong answer. It is only by understanding whar rights are, where they come from and what life is that one can reach the correct conclusion. Science cannot answer these questions. Only thing science can give you in this context is an understanding of the different stages of pregnancy and fetal development. It does not answer the central question of does a fetus have rights? Since anti-abortionists are driven by sheer emotion, they cannot provide proper arguments and are often left to spew a mantra of "it is wrong! It is wrong! It is wrong!" and since they do not have an objective definition of rights and think they come from a mystical deity, they cannot point out why the fetus has rights, they can only say "abortion looks bad!" or "It ends a life!"
Heh, you claim that "anti-abortionists are driven by sheer emotion" and yet that's what your argument boils down to. I disagree. I think it ultimately be a scientific question. At what point is the fetus human?
Not at all. I have a reality-bound definition of rights and can therefore rationally prove why abortion is a moral right and why fetuses have no rights. Right, exactly what I am saying. Only humans have rights and to find out if a fetus has rights, it is important to find out if it is human.
Nope - - the correct answer is I'm talking science, you're talking your made up philosophy. Keep trying though.
I never argued for the contrary. And what do you mean "bit of progress"? I have always been open straightforward with my position on this matter and have never dodged or tip-toed around any question unlike most anti-abortionists here who won't spell out what their position is and why that is.
FoxHastings said: ↑ Or if she was raped...????? WTF!!! I never said anything about where she could or couldn't get an abortion.... If you can't follow the discussion maybe replying isn't such a good idea... I asked a QUESTION denoted by this "?" ( QUESTION MARK) : Matthewthf said: ↑ I'm completely against it unless the mother's life is at risk of death."""" FoxHastings: Or if she was raped...????? The answer is in the POST OF MINE YOU QUOTED....TRY READING THEM BEFORE RESPONDING. I do NOT have to wait until a word is mentioned by someone else to comment on it ... Now , do you have a comment on the TOPIC? HINT: It isn't me....
You havn't mentioned any science thusfar - and seem to have little undestanding of science - not knowing the connection to Philosophy. And no .. I did not make up the discipline of Philosophy - the principles of logic and reason and science were determined long ago - so wrong again
FoxHastings said: ↑ A human fetus is always human...that's science (Human is an adjective here) What problem is that? A human fetus is human (adjective) it is NOT A human (noun) as in legal person.
Kudo's for that - I too have noticed the mind bending efforts to dodge - and avoid stating position clearly or defining terms .. among the anti abort crowd.
BuT hUmAn fEmAlEs gIvE bIrTh tO hUmAn BaBiEs! ThE fEtUs iNsIdE hEr iS nOt a DoG! Ha-hA oWnEd WiTh LoGiC aNd FaCtS.
I am not the topic. Why can't you simply answer my question that you keep ignoring. What state refuses to allow an abortion when a female is raped?
Seems a simple question - Don't think there are any that do not allow abortion in the case of rape. What is the point ?
