"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

You are not answering the question.

Why should the taxpayer pay for for people that have CHOSEN to get C-19 but not medical issues that are contracted due to no fault of the patient.

If you don’t want to answer — don’t reply.

 

Yes
Obesity makes one high risk so those individuals should absolutely make necessary precautions.

 

I didn’t ask about precautions. I asked if the taxpayer should have to pay for Covid treatment of those who chose to be obese and were infected as a result of that choice. What about obese people who ARE vaccinated but their obesity results in a breakthrough infection that lands them in the hospital?

 

If they have not gotten the vaccine and do not have a medical reason for refusing to do so my answer is the same.

My question is why should group A that has refused to take personal responsibility with a free vaccine receive taxpayer provided medical treatment while group B that is ill due to no fault of their own not receive it?

Why can none of you answer such a simple question — why is national healthcare supported by the alt right for group A but not group B?

 

Before we go further, are you advocating for free healthcare for all those who are irresponsible, or are you singling out just the unvaccinated as a group that shouldn’t receive free healthcare?

I can’t answer your alt right question. I am a socialist.

 

I support a national healthcare program for all US citizens. My point is their views are incongruent as they want one group that is acting irresponsible to have “free” healthcare while other groups are denied it due to no fault of their own.

 

Ah. Ok. You support the individual right to not be vaccinated and the individual right to be fat. And you think the taxpayer should foot the medical bills of both.

 

Correct. I also think we need major medical reforms alongside a national healthcare program.

What I don’t support is the most vocal group against national healthcare having their healthcare subsidized when no one else gets that benefit.

 

I prefer reforms without the nationalization but thanks for clarifying your position. I agree we need to be consistent in who’s irresponsibility we enable/subsidize.

When did other demographics quit getting their healthcare subsidized? I had not heard about that. Link?

 

There is no such thing as someone who chose to get C-19. Should we not provide medical services to those who were dumb enough to think a vaccine would make them immune?
How about attempted suicides? You gonna push them out the door as well? Criminals wounded in criminal acts?
it sounds like you want those that aren't vaccinated to die. That'll teach um, huh

 

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"Jimmy Kimmel suggests hospitals shouldn’t treat unvaccinated patients..."

I can't see the logic in mandating something that we already know doesn't control the virus.

 

We do not subsidize these other groups. They have to pay their own medical bills.

As for me wanting them to die, that is false — I just want them to pay for their own negligence.

Why should the taxpayer subsidize medical treatment for individuals that have refused even basic treatment or preventative measures? Why can you not answer such a simple question.

 

Where did you even get the idea that people who contract Covid have all their hospital bills paid by taxpayers? Did you just make that up?
Medicare pays hospitals 16,000 if a patient has covid and about 30K if put on a ventilator.

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services has announced new guidance regarding reimbursement of COVID-19 Medicare patients. If a Medicare patient has been diagnosed with COVID-19 and needs to be admitted to a hospital, the payment to the hospital is increased by 20% to reflect the additional costs of treating a patient with COVID-19.

https://www.cms.gov/medicare/covid-19-accelerated-and-advance-payments
https://www.cms.gov/medicare/covid-19/new-covid-19-treatments-add-payment-nctap
https://www.medicare.gov/medicare-coronavirus

 

That is for Medicare — are you suggesting that there is zero taxpayer support for people with private or no insurance?

 

The "why" is because it was in the Covid relief bill that passed in Spring of 2020.

If you want to make the point that the taxpayers should not pay for medical care for someone being irresponsible, like someone skiing, being obese, OD'ing, or catching HIV from risky behavior, well I'm willing to listen to your argument.

 

Yeah...and right after that the insurance companies should withdraw coverage for gay males who contract AIDS.

Kimmel is a hateful human being.

 

You mean the same taxpayer support for illegal aliens who have abused our facilities for years that are not US citizens?

 

No, I mean for the people that bitch about socialism until it benefits them.

Deflection is a pathetic debate strategy

 

Being obese doesn't make you more likely to be infected, it makes you more likely to die from infection.

 

That’s a common misconception. Here is me explaining this to another member back in July who was unaware of obesity’s role in infection.

 

Republicans fight giving rape victims the morning after pill as many of them think the pill is abortion

 

Its not a deflection. Its the Hospitals legal obligation. Be it illegals or Covid patients.

 

Absolutely deflection.
Again, why should taxpayers subsidize citizens that have willingly caught C19 but not other citizens?

 

If you are really looking for an answer to that question it’s the same reason hurricane victims get benefits from disaster designations but when I get 90 mph winds and storm damage I’m on my own.

 

The most recent example I've read comes from Alabama. A man died from a cardiac event because there were no cardiac ICU beds available...after the hospital called 43 other hospitals in surrounding areas.
https://www.wvtm13.com/article/alab...-after-hospital-unable-find-icu-bed/37576848#