Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

Link to prove the above please.

Anyway 2 or 3 can old men can't stop an election.

 

You can speak to my experiences. Further, I actually stated in that post that it is not exactly the same. So, it would behoove you to actually read posts before you try to chime in on them.

I never said *that* is how it works in that situation.

OK. That's understandable. Given there is a fail-safe requirement of a committee review (based on AARguy's posts), I'm not understanding why he would put himself in this position. It sounds like career suicide (but I'm not an expert on how this will be addressed). Further, it sounds like he could have covered his backside by telling his subordinates to ALSO include him on any of Trump communications versus going around the POTUS.

OK. That applies to Milley which means all his subordinates should have defied the order to go through him, correct?

Let's say that President Trump was truly losing it. Pence and others would be involved in the process for the 25th, right? I don't know how long that takes, but PRIOR to that process being completed, President Trump *could* have given the directive for a nuclear strike against China. At that point, based on what AARgay said, it would go before a committee and get approved.

So, in THAT instance, Trump could have ordered a nuclear strike and nobody outside that committee could stop it. Is that correct? Further, does the committee vote have to be unanimous or is it majority rules?

 

To make a clincal diagnose they would have to personally evaluate him. And as we have seen even today Trump is quite sane. He's over the top, a bloviator, and egotist but quite sane and has full mental capacities.

Biden on the other hand should resign his mental capabilities as on constant show have greatly decreased to the point that he is incapable of leading the country and making key, decisive, multiple on the spot decisions. He cannot even keep up with what he is planned to say or do, has to feebly look off camera for instructions from someone off to the side.

 

There was no risk of a nuclear war. This is simple derangement by leftists. Trump never ordered anybody nuked. Some stupid journalists wrote articles at the start of his presidency along the lines of "can we trust Trump with the nuclear codes" and that never left your silly little heads. The man had no desire to nuke anybody, but you lot had this real severe break with reality around 2016-2017 and never got back to it. You built up this image in your head of Trump as a nuclear warmonger. He never was. It was all fiction you told each other over and over again, until the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs bought into it to. You guys are delusional.

 

AGAIN, he has NO Command authority over the military or the nuclear launch process. His telling other generals as alleged not to follow the orders of the President until he OK'd it would be total insubordination and an attempt to exert authority he does not have. NONE. As I said the phone call is the least of his worries even though again I would note at the attacks and calls for his head when Flynn who WAS acting properly as the incoming NSA adviser spoke with the Russian ambassador.

And now the White House and DoD are dancing and dodging if you listened to the press briefings today.

This needs an investigation to find out exactly what he said. We need to know that Biden has called him in and directly asked about it and what decision he has made.

 

The CJCS reports to the SecDef, acting or otherwise, and the President. He is an adviser to them and nothing more. Why was he asserting some command over our military forces?

Seven Days in May, go watch if you've never seen the irony here is remarkable. And of course a great movie on it's own.

 

Milley and Pompeo are not leftists.

 

I am not so sure about Pompeo, he could be a Leftist in drag.

 

Once again. Milley HAS NO COMMAND AUTHORITY. The only persons he commands are his personal staff and the staff of the JCS which as a group has no command authority. He is only and ADVISER to the President and certain key civil officers like the SecDef. He doesn't not command any branch of the military. The Air Force or Navy or Army does not get it's orders from the CJCS they get their orders from the President to the SecDef to the Chiefs of Staff of each branch, it does not go through the JOINT Chief of Staff advisory board. The people who would execute a nuclear launch are not subordinates of Milley he is not in their chain of command.

BTW the FOX news reporter tried to get a straight answer from Paski on this today, did Milley try to inject himself into that chain of command for a nuclear launch and Paski danced all around it with the "well we're not going to discuss anecdotal stories in a book". If the reporting is true and he tried to usurp the authority of the President he's in deep doo-doo.

 

I have higher standards of justice than you have.
I keep researching what the promise keepers did and so far find no trials by jury of guilt but do find 3 of them did plead guilty to being involved.


If this was the massive riot said by Democrats, there would be tens of thousands charged for crimes rather than several dozen of them.

 

Lol. A thought I've had myself.

The level of argumentation around here is quite low sometimes. Everyone's a leftist. Problem solved. Smh.

 

It was during World War 2 that the JCS had command ability. As you keep telling them now the JCS simply advises the president.
Had Milley advised he would call China to Trump, Trump would have stopped him or fired him.

 

I get called a leftist and stupid several times per week. <smdh>

 

I didn't think you'd take me seriously.... and I was right...

Point out in your document where is shows the chain of command for a nuclear launch scenario....

 

And the left and the Dems were outraged he spoke with the Russian ambassador and were calling for his head for doing so. Milley is alleged to have attempted to usurp the authority of the President and illegally issue commands to various officers. It's called insubordination. Now was his conversation recorded by NSA or DIA? Remember with Flynn it was said that all such calls with foreign leaders are monitored. Can we get someone in the Biden WH to unmask this one and they release it so we can read for ourselves? I hear Milley is refusing to release it.

 

How long was he kept in solitary before plead guilty?

 

Don't worry... I won't.... I never have...

 

Show me where the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is in that chain of command or has any command authority at all.

 

So don't demand people do so then, have you bother to go and learn on your own yet?

 

I think you're confused about the recent events. One of the defendant's lawyers got a search warrant served against them, to seize their phone. In the warrant, the FBI specified that one of the possible charges they were looking for evidence of was "seditious conspiracy". That's a lot different than someone pleading guilty to (or otherwise being convicted of) "seditious conspiracy". AFAIK, they haven't even yet charged anyone with "seditious conspiracy".

souces:

Feds cite 'seditious conspiracy' in lawyer phone warrant (mercurynews.com)

FBI Warrant Reveals Jan. 6 ‘Seditious Conspiracy’ Probe Of Oath Keepers - National Memo

FBI Seizes Oath Keeper Lawyer’s Phone in “Seditious Conspiracy” Investigation – Mother Jones

 

I've learned what I've learned, and it contradicts everything you've dribbled out on the topic

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Official protocols require that the chairman be consulted before the president launches nuclear weapons, and Milley wanted to make sure he was. If Trump then wanted to launch nukes, against Milley’s advice, well, so it goes. Judging from the Post and CNN accounts (I have not yet received a copy of the book, which is out on Tuesday), Milley was not telling the officers in the war room to insert him into the chain of command; he just wanted to make sure he was briefed.
ENDSNIP

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/09/milley-woodward-book-trump-nuclear-chain-of-command.html

So snark off and go work on your **** Joe Biden chant army...

 

How about his calls to China to warn them which the Defense Department concedes?

 

I've already said I've found the October call contents as REPORTED by a book to be disturbing...

But, same article has done some more digging....

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However, Woodward and Costa’s account—or at least the Post’s summary of it—may be incomplete. On Wednesday, Jonathan Swan reported in Axios that the back channel with China was opened not by Milley but rather by Secretary of Defense Mark Esper—a more constitutionally proper arrangement. Esper’s intent was simply to assure the Chinese—whose intelligence agencies were warning of an imminent U.S. attack—that an attack was not in the works. Washington Post columnist Josh Rogin cited senior Defense Department officials confirming this was the case. Swan also characterized Milley’s conversation with Li a bit differently from Woodward and Costa. According to a source who is “familiar” with those conversations, Milley said “something to the effect of: ‘We’ll both know if we’re going to war … there’s not gonna be some surprise attack, and there’s no reason for you to do a preemptive strike.” That’s a lot less bizarre than a promise to give China a heads-up on a surprise attack. Swan’s account, if true, is completely normal.

Finally, Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin tweeted on Wednesday that 15 officials, including a State Department representative, were in on the video teleconference of Milley’s two calls with Li—and that the read-out notes from those calls were shared with the intelligence community and with an interagency group.
ENDSNIP

I think we should all wait for something official to be released, as it eventually will be, not that this will change your narrative..

Since when does the RW take everything Bob Woodward puts in a book to be the gospel??

 

Has anyone on this thread endorsed Bob Woodward's account as "gospel"?

 

There wasn't even a JCS. There was the Department of the Army, which included the Air Force, and the Department of the Navy. George Marshall was the Army Chief of Staff which by far was our largest force. Yep, he is under the direct command of the President, not the SOTH.