Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

As some have been calling for a choice between a firing squad or hanging based on book clips, I'd go hell yes...

I'll leave it to you to wander through 30 pages to get a head count...

 

None of them added an "if true" qualifier?

 

After the snow job by Psaki today, there is no doubt at all Biden will not fire Milley. Woodward as normal only blasts republicans.

 

Here's a statement from the JCS office on this

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All calls from the Chairman to his counterparts, including those reported, are staffed, coordinated and communicated with the Department of Defense and the interagency.

The meeting regarding nuclear weapons protocols was to remind uniformed leaders in the Pentagon of the long-established and robust procedures in light of media reporting on the subject.
ENDSNIP

https://www.jcs.mil/Media/News/News...on-chairmans-conversations-with-chiefs-of-de/

I notice they wisely stay away from Milley confirming Pelosi's claims of a crazy man in the White House..

If Milley had truly made warning promises to China, I would almost guarantee we would have had a Alex Vindman-level whistleblower (which, in the ultimate irony, would be supported by the wingers since it's not against Orange Jesus)

This story is losing steam faster than fresh cooked snow peas in the winter...

 

So what’s the issue??

 

What’s he lied about?

 

Reports now are that he was operating at the request of the Sec Def.

 

Oh I’m sure it was monitored. Flynn talking to the ambassador wasn’t illegal or what got him on the fbi radar.
What commands did Milley give? To follow the protocol already in place?

 

Which is why I used the word some instead of all....

 

So mister been-here-since-the-revolution and MA in Poli-Sci, you don't see the problem with that?

 

Yes. I see the pieces falling apart. @Arkanis posted some new info. Milley didn't tell them to *go around* Trump. He told them to FOLLOW PROCEDURE and he was part of that procedure. He shouldn't be forced to resign over this. Telling his people to "go by the book" is NOT treason.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rk-milley-be-‘arrested’-for-‘treason’.592132/

I am not partisan so it doesn't matter to me that Trump is a conservative Republican. I never had anything specifically against Republicans (or any party) but I am growing more disgusted with many of the people that classify themselves as Republican. It's one thing to stick together but it's another to turn a blind eye and/or rationalize BS. It's unconsciousable. Some of them were even gloating about the suicide bomber killing the 13 American soldiers outside the Kabul airport (because it happened on Biden's watch). That's very sick and demented.

 

At least the first time, when he had an actual Senate-approved Sec Def to work with....

By January, he was working without a net (although he needed one when he went to the WH)

 

Speaking of needing a net when going to the WH, seems our long lost friend Paul Ryan figured out he'd be dealing with a person with major issues

More from "Peril"

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A wealthy doctor in New York, who was also a Republican donor, contacted Ryan later and told him, "You need to understand what narcissistic personality disorder is," according to the book.

"What?" Ryan asked, at which point the doctor sent the Wisconsin Republican an email detailing his "thoughts on how to best deal with a person with anti-social personality disorder," Woodward and Costa reported. The email also included links to articles about the topic in The New England Journal of Medicine, and information from the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, 10th edition.

The book said that "Ryan studied them for weeks, convinced Trump had the personality disorder."
ENDSNIP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/paul-ryan-spoke-doctor-extensively-182737516.html

Geez, I'm going to have to read this book, even if they got some deets on Milley incorrect...

 

Sounds to me like he just had a meeting to confirm that everything had to be done by the book through him. Doesn't sound like either a coup or an attempt to stop Trump.

 

This thread has been a real despairing wake up call for me. Sure, I'm a declinist and realize that the collapse into banana republic-dom is more or less inevitable, but I grew up in a time when liberal democrats would never countenance a military coup or anything short of it where the military assumed the powers of civilian leadership. So based on this thread, there is scarcely a person on the left who seems a bit concerned that a General would call a foreign general and promise to warn him if an attack was coming. There is no way not to construe that as treason, but for a good chunk of this forum, treason is just fine.

Your childish "because Trump" plaintive wails are just the beginning. Now that sides have been drawn and the arguments made, you won't need Trump. A future coup's reason can just be, "because."

And if the coup plotters are on your side (and who else would do that?) you'll applaud.

 

Sec of Defense Miller flat says this is wrong.

 

And if Milley did it once, he may well do it again if he doesn't think there should be kinetic action authorized by Biden. The Chinese are snooping around the Aleutians; is Milley keeping them informed on Bidens response?

 

Guess he doesn’t want to be accused of treason lol

 

Every time General Milley called his Chinese counterpart, there were at least 15 people (military, civilians, CIA agents etc....) listening.

Just like every time this happens.

So, are they being accused of treason too?...or do you want to take some time to educate yourself on the subject?

 

Milley might never do it again, but it's highly likely that he gets away with it, and that sets a precedent that it's OK. Certainly there are over 30 pages of leftist arguments here supporting his actions, and those talking points can be pulled out again if a Republican wins the Presidency and the JCS thinks he might start nuclear war or some similar nonsense.

So we've just legitimized the military as the fourth branch of government.

 

Oh I think anyone involved in this is probably also guilty, but we need trials and court martials for that.

 

Because you think we're going to sue them for following the communication protocol to the letter?

 

You don't get it. Whether you like it or not, whether Milley liked it or not, and whether or not Pelosi liked it or not, Donald J. Trump was the President of the United States on the dates in question. Yes, the Constitution has a provision of how to deal with an individual who has literally lost his or her mind yet holds the office of President, and that's the 25th Amendment, an option which was not used. However, there is nothing in that document, nor within the UCMJ that gives the Chairman the authority to make secret arrangements or have secret communications with our enemies, or even our friends. Now, Milley has denied such a thing happened. Trump himself said he doubts it happened. And I certainly hope Milley is telling the truth and Trump's instincts are correct, because if he actually did as alleged, it is, whether you like it or not, Treason against the United States of America.

Frankly, if you don't know what the UCMJ even is, you have no business even involving yourself in this conversation. We're not dealing with opinions here, we're dealing with the LAW, as it existed at the time. And to date, it hasn't changed, so if Biden were to issue a nuclear strike today that GEN Milley didn't like, tough sh|t, General, do as you are told or resign and let someone else do it.

If the President issues an order to release nuclear weapons on anyone, let's just say the UK, the Chairman has 3 choices. First is to say "Yes, sir", do an about face, and execute the order. Second is to voice an objection, and then when that objection has lost (assuming it does) either refer to choice number one, or execute choice number three, which would be to immediately resign his position due to his disagreement, and leave executing the President's order to his successor.

That's it. He does not have the option to ignore the order, there are no circumstances under which such an order can be deemed as "illegal", and there is no legal remedy for him to do anything but one of the three options I have outlined.

I get that you don't like that, but that's just too damn bad, because that's how things work. The President is the Chairman's BOSS, and the Chairman has NO CHOICE but to do what he is ordered to do, like any other member of the US Armed Forces. The ONLY exception to that is if the order issued is illegal, but ordering a nuclear strike on anyone at any time by the President is, by definition, legal.

Sorry.

 

There is no law that says that and he has no authority in the matter. Nor does he have the authority to order officers in the ranks to do anything especially to ignore the commands of the commander in chief and follow him instead.


General Kellogg: Milley Must Resign Or Be Removed

"...The Pentagon’s attempts to clean up the controversy surrounding Milley by claiming then-Defense Secretary Mark Esper requested the phone call almost makes things “worse,” Kellogg suggested.

“There are only two national command authorities: it’s the President and the Secretary of Defense. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs is not in that line. He should not be calling his counterpart or anybody else out there without informing the president of the United States on what he is doing. So they violated that. Even Esper violated that,” Kellogg said. “The one who should have picked up the phone was Esper if he wanted to do it and then he should have told the president, he should have actually asked the president beforehand and said this is what he was going to do. I mean, that just shows him, very candidly, some real incompetence on the part of Esper and Milley as well.”
https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/15/general-kellogg-milley-must-resign-or-be-removed/

 

We don't. The qualifications for POTUS are outlined in the Constitution, and they are quite simple. The person must be 35 years old, and a born citizen of the USA. That's it. There's no requirement of sanity, a person could run from inside of a jail cell, there is no college degree required, nor even high school for that matter. Nothing, except being 35 and a born citizen. We can only hope that the People are wise enough to not elect an "uncontrollable lunatic" in the first place. So far, so good, as they have never done so to date.

I join you in hoping they (we) won't in the future.