I know exact what you know about 'anything after death', jack squat. That's the point I was making and apparently was missed. Since we are all creatures of the universe, please explain why we are not galactic energy? BTW, There was a , which adds context.
Star Stuff we are ... don't let anyone try to tell you different - a combination of matter and galactic energy !
Your not liking the idea of ceasing to exist is understanable. It's an idea I share. However, I believe what the facts bear out -- when we die, we die. That's the end of this organism and the mind produced by it. However, I like to think that we might at least relive our lives. The way I see it, our life from conception to death is all we have; time does not pass for us otherwise. Time for us is part of our perception, an entirely subjective matter. Since we can't experience the passage of time after we die any more than we could before we were conceived, it stands to reason, in a way, that we would "return" to conception and experience our lives over again (and again into infinity).
I wouldn't say I missed it. I don't disagree with it, I see no reason to contest it. So if we don't know anything about anything after death, where do you get "immortal soul" from? I don't have a problem with us consisting of galactic energy per se, I'm wondering about you talking about your immortal soul. I believe your statement about Galactic energy was a response to a question about the soul, not the body.
The immortal soul. It's a concept. Can you dispel it? Explain it away with assumptions? How do we know that one's soul is not a form of galactic energy if it even exists? Many religions/cultures explore "reincarnation", is it possible? If so, how does it manifest? Do we know? If we don't know and can't really explain it, then the sky is the limit, so to speak. Still waiting for "the facts".
Some perhaps are seeking the light - but let us leave speculation aside .. what ever energy consists the soul - all we need do is look at humanity to know it is from "The Dark Side of the Force" -- Tiamat has taken the reigns and chaos is her middle name.
It flows beautifully. Amazingly beautiful too. They rolled the stone away. Empty tomb. He Lives. And because He lives we too can live , , , "Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;26and whoever lives by believing in me will never die." John 11:25-26 and because He Lives we can face tomorrow with confidence and hope. “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world." John 16:33 Best Regards. JAG ``
Indeed .. and what fun would be the light without the dark ? - I forgot to provide a link to support claim in last post. Everyone demands "Proof" these days http://oracc.museum.upenn.edu/amgg/...is a personification of,in the Enūma Eliš TT . "In The Beginning" - well.. sometime after - The Gods created humans - infusing a bit of God into a bit of Earth -- The supreme God - The Most High - God of Abraham - God of Noah .. was a fellow by the name of "Enlil" (EL). Most High on Earth that is .. In the heavens is a different realm. .. and everybody in the near east worshiped El as the Most High .. but also worship numerous other Gods - "Sons of God" as recoreded in the Holy Books. Initially humans were only orientated towards the light - only orientated one direction .. in came Tiamat (The Serpent in the Garden) creating chaos - and the Addamu became disorientated .. A war broke out in the heavens - between the Gods and Tiamat - Marduk - a son Enki , brother to Enlil goes out and defeat's Tiamat - Marduk is rewarded and becomes "The Most High" on earth .. Enlil is still the - or a- high one in the Heavens - Enlil/Enki being the "creator" Gods. This narrative .. the sons of God trying to usurp the position of "The Most High" is carried on throughout the near east .. Each Town or city state having their own patron - "Son of God" each battling for supremicy over the othes. YHWH was one such son as we are told in the Bible. Deut 32: 8 tells us how YHWH was one of 70 sons of El .. and he was aportioned the nation of Israel. Psalm 82 tells us how YHWH defeats the other Sons of God -- https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa82.pdf - Not how "EL" is the head of the Divine Council .. called "The Supreme One" - 82:6 The other Gods in the congregation whom YHWH is judging called "Sons of the Supreme one" and what is the fight over ? .. the direction of Humans - the plight of humanity .. the forces of light and dark .. Chaos and Order.
the only thing that “dies” is the physical body. But this body is just a vehicle. We are all just souls having a human experience. The soul/spirit lives forever.
Yes you can. The term "can" denotes possibility, not probability. Unless you want to claim that God does have the power to throw your soul into the pit of fire. I won't argue one way or the other as to your status as saved. But if we are accepting the concepts that are in Revelations, then a soul can be destroyed, or killed, and thus it is possible that you can be killed. To argue otherwise is to claim that God can't do it. And there is a major difference between the arguments of can't and won't.
So you are ignoring the Book of Revelations? And for the record, I agree with you and hold that whatever that part was intended to be it has suffered a translation error somewhere along the way. But the fact remains that according to Revelations, souls will be destroyed.
I mean, I'd rather not believe that I cease to exist after death. It's been my greatest fear since I was 4 years old (well, now it's something bad happening to my kids, so 2nd biggest fear now). But I haven't seen clear evidence that's not the case and given what we know of the physical world, it seems to most likely be the case. But as I've said elsewhere, if there's anything to the whole "extracorporeal sensation" phenomenon in near-death experiences, then perhaps evidence can be found that the mind transcends the brain in some way.
im not Christian, so yes. I believe the Bible has some truth, but was corrupted by man, as tends to happen with all organized religions. Meditation can help sift the truths out of spiritual works.
Again, I agree. However, the OP is making his claim within the Christian framework, or at least of the denomination/sect he follows. Thus my initial answer was to him with in that framework, which I made clear.
I agree with you that a human soul can be killed. When I said I can't be killed, it was within the framework of my personal experience as a Christian (decades and decades.) I write OP's like the one in this thread based upon what I am 100% totally convinced of ~ which in this case is that I have been saved from eternal death by my faith in what the Lord Jesus did for me on The Cross and in His Resurrection from the dead. In my case I am locked down on the belief that it is impossible for me to lose my salvation. John 10:28 ... Romans 8:37-39 My position is that no true Christian can ever lose his salvation and that all "Christians" that fell away, were NEVER true Christians to start with ~ for example this one right here: Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith: Templeton, Charles: 9780771085086: Amazon.com: Books (And the No True Scotsman so-called fallacy is total nonsense.) To save you some time, I will classify ALL that up there as a FAITH belief. Best JAG ``
Your self evaluation of the flow as "beautiful" is deluded and if your wishful thinking allows you to "face tomorrow with confidence and hope" then you seem to have relieved a psychological need... that's great. Beau Regard
Assertions are fascinating, aren't they! Here is one: My self evaluation of the flow as beautiful is not deluded. Here is another assertion: My OP has nothing to do with wistful thinking. By your "that's great" I assume you are expressing your happiness that I have relieved one of my psychological needs. Thank you. In another vein: Wouldn't you like to be happy? I know for a fact that you're not happy. How? Because the Bible says its impossible for, you to be happy without the Lord Jesus as your Savior. Not in those exact words, but in other words. Why don't you give some thought, Edna, to becoming a Christian? Get some happiness in your life. All that secularism you feed into your mind is not doing it for you. How do I know? (The Bible says it cannot.) Best Regards Edna. JAG PS To brighten your day:
Having read post 49, I don't think that is the same question. My first point is that if we have no information, we should not treat that as an invite to form beliefs for bad reasons, we should conclude that we do not know and stick to that (and your 50/50 argument is not justified). My second point was that Hey Now specifically avoided invoking any arguments from probabilities or likelihoods, so your 50/50 argument doesn't support him (and in fact, the lottery example does highlight that difference).
Speaking of assertions, your assertion that I and most of the people on the planet can not be happy because we don't know Jesus sounds a lot like someone not dealing with the real world. Maybe it is beyond your state of mind to comprehend that people can get along just fine without Jesus.
I disagree, if we don't know and can't really explain it, then we should conclude that we don't know and we can't explain it. It does not invite us to make stuff up. We start out on the same base line of us not knowing, yet for some reason, you take the leap to holding various things as true (I guess the idea that the "you" without a body is in some sense galactic energy). I don't think I have made any assertions based on anything I present as facts.
