Coming to your town: 85,000 more Haitians.... Jpe, what the hell are you doing to America?

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/panama-warns-looming-haitian-migrant-wave

    85,000 Haitians- Already in Central America, already headed for out southern border... and more on the way from Haiti.

    Haiti is a nation that has never been able to manage itself. It's not a nation of educated people without options, but one of people who have been unwilling to work for something better. It is the poorest country in the western hemisphere, and has the lowest IQ. Just what the democrats seem to want.

    They are NOT victims of conditions beyond their control- but victims of the lack of self-control. Haiti is the western half of an island it shares with the Dominican Republic, an upper middle-income nation with the fastest-growing economy in all of Latin America. Haitians are literally next door- and have the poorest economy in all of Latin America.

    Note that migrants overall crossing the border illegally, according to the DHS- about 20% of them have some kind of disease or illness. Despite massive international efforts to help that nation that have been going on for years- Haiti's health issues continue to be critical, with tuberculosis, opportunistic infections; malaria; dengue; rabies; lymphatic filariasis and more. Poor practices in water, sanitation and hygiene continue to keep Haiti at the bottom of the health range of Latin American nations.

    While you may well be fired as a nurse, teacher or airline stewardess for not being vaccinated..... these hordes aren't tested, aren't vaccinated, aren't masked..... but they are being distributed around the nation, BY THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, IN DIRECT VIOLATION OF US CODE 1324a, MIGRATION LAW.....
     
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    Follow the money.
     
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    Exploitation of the insecure is a political past time in the U.S. Hell I’m white and a generation removed from my family’s immigration and was still ridiculed and called names during my youth.
     
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    Who thinks Befuddled Joe is responsible for anything other than not wandering off the stage and staying somewhat on the script he's handed?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Joes problem is he is an importer of disease, of poverty and poor judgment by those he imports.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    While I agree with the fact Joe is not in charge of Joe- he did run for office, and the fact he allows others to control him- makes hum responsible. This is the kind of problem you remove, because it can't be fixed and made to operate properly....
     
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    I listened to about 10 minutes of Josef Biden when he spoke perhaps 6 years ago. He then was VP.
    Compared to now, then he was a silver tongue orator.
    Biden has lost it. Jill needs to call an actual doctor to treat him.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've looked at some his old speeches too, and seen the contrast too. The job calls for someone that is not only good, but is 100% all the time- and Joe is well past that. Unfortunately it's something I've seen in some elderly people and I don't think there is a treatment that can repair it. This is aging dementia- loss of brain cells and the synapse function that allows brain cells to interact. Onset varies widely by individual, but this kind of dementia is not reversible. Joe's done.
     
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    My mother is well into Alzheimer’s and Joe speaks and acts exactly as she did when dementia first started kicking in. No doubt about it.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am older than Biden is and like you see his Alzheimer's. I recall my entire life. I recall Biden when he was a very young man. He has dramatically changed for the worst. I would not be shocked if he passes away soon.
     
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    VERY inaccurate, the Dominican Republican actually has a lower GDP per capita than Cuba, and overall is one of the poorer countries in Latin America. It is definitely not an upper middle income nation

    It is also worth noting that this migration from Haiti stems from a natural disaster from earlier in the year which killed over 2,000 in Haiti and destroyed at least 37,300 homes, with thousands more severely damaged. The estimates on the number of people displaced from the earthquake is somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.

    That is not accurate

    Part of the "security check" that asylum seekers go through is a medical screening where they ask for proof of vaccination, to which if the asylum seeker is unable to provide them with any, they run blood tests to see what vaccinations they have received. The security check is the process they go through before being given a court date. The challenge is this process can sometimes take 30 to 90 days, and if people are arriving in substantially larger numbers, we may not have the capacity to keep them all in a safe detention centers.

    This is where we try to get our neighboring countries involved in managing these large groups of people. So far we have gotten a lot of help from the Mexican government on the issue, and in fact they have already taken in more of the Haitian asylum seekers than we have at this point in time
     
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    I don't think you are doing your home work. I do.

    The World Bank says:
    "Over the past 25 years, the Dominican Republic (DR) has experienced a remarkable period of robust economic growth. The economy continued its rapid expansion in the years leading up to the COVID-19 pandemic, and between 2015 and 2019 the DR’s annual GDP growth rate averaged 6.1%. Tourism, remittances, foreign direct investment, mining revenues, free-trade zones, and telecommunications have helped make the DR one of the fastest-growing economies in the Latin America and the Caribbean (LAC) region, and as of 2019 the country was on track to realize its ambition of achieving high-income status by 2030".

    The difference between Haiti and the Dominican Republic- is just a line drawn across the same island. Other than that, the conditions on either side of that line come from political and people factors. While the Dominican side works to promote investment and fair trade, the Haitian side has such a history of corruption that it can't attract those things. That is a man-made condition totally of their own making.
    Being one island, the natural disaster like an earthquake that hits Haiti also hits the Dominican Republic. But the buildings on the Haitian side are built without concern for the risks, (Haiti has no building code despite repeated "disasters") while in the Dominican side construction is far more professional and durable. Thus Haitian structures falls apart to a greater extent.... making their level of damage a "disaster" when others are not. They are equally negligent about providing for public health systems, so every "disaster" leaves them more problems. When you fail to prepare for such events, you magnify your own problems dramatically. It's not like they haven't experienced the problems before- it's that they never respond in a way to prepare for the future. That insures more "disasters" will happen to them.

    At the border...
    The best reports aren't guessing, unless it's the MSM who sees no Biden evil. Even the DHS admits that they have no idea how many Haitians they have distributed around the country, or who they are. The administration is making claims of responsible actions which have no tangible proof to support them- but that is SOP for them. Most immigrants are not having court appearances, because the system is totally overwhelmed- and that is about to get much worse. Like Haiti, That is a man-made disaster that didn't have to happen, and wouldn't have if the laws were being followed. Because of that stupidity- that massive overload- they are ASKING the illegal people to come back, and in some cases- not even setting dates for it at all.
    That's from first-hand witness reporting, as well as statements by the DHS, Immigration and CBP officials. You won't hear it from the president's press secretary Psaki.

    None the less-
    OUR LAW SETS OUT SPECIFIC POLICIES FOR ADMISSION INTO THE UNITED STATES. THEY ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION, AND NO ATTEMPT TO APPLY THEM IS BEING MADE.

    IT IS ILLEGAL TO INVITE, ENCOURAGE OR ASSIST ANY PERSON TO ENTER THE USA BY ANY MEANS OTHER THAN THE PROCESS DEFINED BY LAW.
    IT IS ILLEGAL TO HARBOR, TRANSPORT OR PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO ANY SUCH PERSON WHO HAS ENTERED THE UNITED STATES ILLEGALLY.
    THAT MAKES BIDEN AND ALL THE PEOPLE HE HAS DIRECTED TO DO THESE THINGS GUILTY OF CRIMES AS SET OUT IN UNITED STATES CODE 1324A.

    It makes no difference where such illegal migrants come from or what race or nationality they are- the law applies to all ILLEGAL ENTRY.
    Asylum must be APPLIED for, IN PERSON, and the person must prove they qualify as a refugee- not from economics, but from life-threatening conditions. Such applicants are detained until their application is approved or denied and they are granted asylum or deported. Damn near nothing happening here is being done in the lawfully prescribed manner.

    Law is not suspended because politicians make stupid choices and it's inconvenient to follow them. That is Biden's position. Neither the president or any agent or institution of government is above the law.
     
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    Percentage increases in GDP are relative to to overall size of the economy. Hence why countries with smaller overall GDP often times see larger percentage growth. It's 6% growth, but it's 6% of an overall GDP per capita that is smaller than Cuba's.. which in case you didn't know, is definitely well under upper middle income

    If you don't believe me, just take a look at the World Bank's numbers on GDP per capita by country


    Dominican Republic = 7,268.2
    Cuba = 9,099.7


    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD


    Furthermore, the big reason why the migration is happening now has more to do with an earthquake which destroyed well over 30,000 homes in Haiti.. and FYI, this is the location of the earthquake

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    Duh....
     
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    I certainly don't know but that could be a description of your or a friends ancestors when they came to America.
     
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    Are they coming to replace me?

    I'm so scared.
     
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    Future DNC votes, perfect match in my humble opinion...
     
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    So it's all about you, leftist ideology?
     
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    Maybe, but then again that's what Ellis Island was for and other quarantines of that period.. See how well knowing a little about history helps in debates :)
     
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    No. Knowing what you just stated doesn't make my comment any less true.
     
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    I can't tell you. They came to Jamestown to settle there. But they did not keep it a crap hole as they still do in Haiti.
     
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    I concur. you certainly don't!

    I disagree. It absolutely did make it less accurate..
     
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    So... we should move to Haiti because we have problems here, and bring Haitians here to fix the country- then ask for it back after they do? It's more of the same lunacy.
    Where does all this drivel come from? I am inclined to think that those who were convinced Trump must be the anti-christ believe that anything Trump wouldn't approve of is a good thing, thus the invasion of America by all these people is somehow positive?

    Haiti sits on a fault that runs under it's capital. The same fault runs under Kingston, Jamaica. The Dominican Republic sits on a parallel sister fault, which runs under it's capital, Santo Domingo.
    There is a 12 story tower in Haiti owned by a international phone company- actually professionally engineered for it's location. It suffered no damage in the last earthquake. However, almost all construction there is done with no engineering at all, even buildings several stories high. They fall down, the Haitians build them back the same way. They never get ahead of the curve. This is not the only such country in the world, but perhaps the slowest learners.

    San Francisco... sits not only on the San Andreas fault but 5 other significant ones in the same area.
    How you respond to challenges determines and changes the future- if you fail to learn, you get to take the class over.
    When you reduce the mix of cement in your concrete and leave out the reinforcement steel to save money, your house is fragile and will fall down- over and over. How long it takes to learn is up to them.
    That's Haiti- or should I say, the logic of the people.

    Everywhere you go, there are challenges. Competent people rise to meet them; develop ways to make things work. Those who will not are victims of themselves, and they will be "victims" of something where ever they go. You are not going to fix them by giving them America- but you are going to do great harm to America in the process.

    I'm not angry at the Haitian people, but I'm not going to support giving them this country. I'm angry at the fools the dems and libs put in office that are responsible for this fiasco- and have no right morally or legally to do so. Moral or legal factors obviously have no impact on their conduct- and gross incompetence, especially when it has power over others, is highly offensive to me- and should be to all of us.
     
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    I don't know about "leftist ideology," but I wouldn't weep if they replaced the increasingly deranged, violent, authoritarian trumpists. Maybe then politics could finally settle back down.

    I really hope they replace Rupert Murdoch. He can go back to Australia and focus on tearing his home country apart for a change.
     
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    Replace as in? Are you going rule 6 again bro....
     
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    Thanks, you gave me my first chuckle of the day. When I was born in 1934 my white trash family and I never thought of calling our out house a crap hole but that's what it was. :)
     
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