Coming to your town: 85,000 more Haitians.... Jpe, what the hell are you doing to America?

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I truly hope this is really a new era in American foreign policy and we are no longer going to try to project American power beyond our own borders. Because the Trumpers bigoted treatment of our staunchest allies has guaranteed we will certainly never be given the chance.
     
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    Fact checked by Democrats? LMAO
     
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    All Trump did was tell them to pay their bills to the UN.
     
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    Biden opened the door so wide open only the blind did not notice when Biden cancelled the deal with Mexico and belligerently bellowed no more Trump deals.
     
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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    I'm talking about the thousands of Afghans we left behind along with some actual American citizens and the Kurds in Syria.
     
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    that is what republicans told the world, so no wonder they came
     
  7. Sallyally

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    We don’t want him back.
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    It's funny 'cause Dem checking is the only fact checking worth doing anymore. Republican checking is usually more of a lie than the original
     
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    Our allies .. Brits/France - love a wars as much as we do - specially when we footing most of the bill. Trumps treatment of our allies was a failure in the Economic war .. not so much in the military arena - which is becoming more and more irrelevant - a less important piece on the geopolitical chessboard.

    Trumps big fail was using the economic nuclear option to force compliance with his unilateral Iran sanctions

    I too hope for an end to these wars - and the Trillions wasted that could be put to better use. Do we have a budget for the year ? What is the Total Military Spend these days..
     
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    FALSE and you know it, the tape is QUITE clear and you post nothing to show otherwise.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    See above.

    Now quote the Republicans telling them they will get free healthcare, they will stop catch and send back and put catch and release back in and want at least 2,000,000 to come.
     
  12. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Very roughly 700 billion, but that's ANNUAL. When you consider that Biden's trillions are largely over a decade military still beats all other expenditures
     
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    Thats just the DOD -- The "Total" spend includes the VA - Dark Projects - Intelligence services and so on.

    The total spend was roughly 300 Billion when Clinton left .. 911 - Bush .. went to over 900 Billion in 8 years and over a Trillion under Obama. Trump increased by 200 Billion so at least 1.2 Trillion by last count.

    Intersting factoid .. 80 Billion on intelligence services -50 Billion dark project = 130 Billion we spend on spooks .. this is double the entire federal spend of Mexico .. a nation 11th in the world in terms of purchasing power.
     
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    And like to sit here and pretend reality never happened as though we will participate in the delusion.
     
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    You will be the first to know, life and work gets in the way, some of us work 40+ hours and sleep and stuff.
     
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    I never said Republicans said they would get free healthcare
     
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    There ain't nothing wrong with Haitians as long as you don't mind having some ritualistic animal sacrificing going on next door.
     
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    Stop with the spin nonsense, would you please? If Biden didn't want open borders, we would not have admitted 12,000 of those Hatians who had piled up at our border, instead opting to send 99% of them home, because that's how many deserved to go back. They were not even attempting to violate the sanctity of our borders, they were bold enough to do so in broad daylight with the Border Patrol LOOKING ON, and making efforts to turn them back. If he and the other looney left didn't want open borders, they would not have sanctuary cities, and should some city try to become one, the city officials would be prosecuted by the feds for violation Federal Law, which is where our immigration laws are created and enforced (haha, as if!).

    Living and working in the United States is not a human right, it is a birthright granted to those born on US soil, and those born elsewhere to US Citizen parents. Even that should be changed by requiring at least one parent to be a citizen or legal immigrant, thus eliminating "anchor babies". Whenever an illegal alien has been arrested, even for something as trivial as jaywalking, if they are guilty, they should serve their sentence and then be deported. If they are innocent, they should be deported as soon as that determination is made. Knowingly hiring an illegal alien should come with punishments that are so punitive, that very few would even attempt to do so out of fear of multi-year terms in prison, and carrying around the "convicted felon" label for the rest of their lives. Those who overstay visas should get a grace period because, hey, sh|t happens, but after a week or two, should have warrants for their arrest issued, and unless they can document a damn good reason (say, they had a massive heart attack and were spending weeks if not months in a hospital being treated), be charged with and convicted of a felony, do their time, and then be deported. Elected officials who actively assist illegals from avoiding enforcement proceedings should be arrested, charged and convicted of a felony, and be ineligible to hold a political office for the rest of their lives.

    In short, we should make it so difficult to even feed yourself should you be an illegal that soon they'll be trying to get OUT as vigorously as they once tried to get IN. Then should be ineligible for ANY form of public assistance, from housing, to EBT, to public schools for their illegal children, to ANYTHIG, and any effort to attempt to sign up for the same should result in their arrest, conviction, and deportation.

    Ridding the US of illegals is not hard, even taking half of the steps I just outlined would have them voluntarily clamoring at the exit doors so fast it would make your head spin. And that is precisely what should happen.
     
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    I imagine he would feel at home in Putin's Russia :D
     
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    Why does opposition to the illegal immigration of a person make one racist if that wanna be illegal alien happens to be black? Answer: It doesn't, but even the accusation is enough to scare some people into abandoning their principled opposition to illegal immigration, which is the whole point of making the accusation in the first place. I am anti-illegal-immigration, period, a position that I have been consistent about since I became old enough to have an adult understanding of what it actually is. I care not how much melanin a would-be or already-is illegal has in their skin, they should be repelled at the borders if possible, or face large penalties and deportation if they get caught already present beyond the borders if not.

    So go try to sell that bullshit to someone who doesn't see right through it, because I do, and I'm not buying. And the sooner people stop falling for being concerned about baseless accusations of being the equivalent of a hood wearing Klansman for wanting the laws of our country to be enforced as written (way the hell back in the 1980s!), the better off we'll all be! Or is it your position that the Congress who wrote those laws when a lot of us were still in high school were also hood wearing members of the Klan? I'm fairly certain the only person who could have rightfully been accused of that at the time was Sen. Robert Byrd (D, W. Va).
     
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    Notwithstanding your withholding of the fact that foreign powers interfere in the political, social and economic affairs of Haiti, the Haitian people are steadfast and industrious.

    I welcome them. Haitians will take advantage of every opportunity afforded to them to excel and achieve. Maybe American Blacks could learn something from them, but I doubt it.

    2018 Median Income (source: US Census Bureau):

    American Blacks: $43,862
    Cape Verde: $47.281
    All Americans: $52,145
    Moroccan: $52,436
    Haiti: $57,141

    Note that demolishes your insinuation that foreigners who never lived in the US but take an IQ test written by White People from the Western World have lower IQs.

    Seeing how Haitians have a median income slightly higher than American Whites, I have to ask what the source of your angst is.

    So, why are you whining? Are you afraid they'll do your job better than you?
     
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    If that were true, then the 12,000 Haitians who were just permitted to ender our society without so much as being screened, much less vaccinated for Covid, would never have been allowed to do so. They would have been turned around and sent to their home of record, which is Haiti. And that's BEFORE taking into consideration that they will now be housed, clothed, and fed courtesy of the US taxpayer, because it's a fairly safe assumption that very few of them have marketable skills, and it's not legal for them to work even if they did.

    Round them all up (and by them, I mean every person who is living in the US illegally, which certainly goes WAY beyond the latest additions to what is already a criminally long list, and deport them. Imprison anyone who hires them. With felonies that cannot be pled out and carry multi-year prison sentences. And arrest and prosecute any government official who aids them in any way. If Biden truly isn't in favor of open borders, then why is he acting, in his official capacity as President of the United States, like he is??

    The time to stop *****-footing around this issue is over, and has been for many decades now. It's time to start playing hardball and enforcing our laws.
     
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    Correct it was the Democrats and a key reason they are coming here.
     
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    Yep.
     
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    Then let's send them back to Haiti where they can rebuild their country they have no claim of refuge here.
     

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