Alec Baldwin kills one,inures another with Prop Gun on set.

While I agree in general, isn't the entire purpose of an armourer is to add ADDITIONAL safety? An extra layer of expert eyes/ears/knowledge?

 

Especially when your sole job is not to forget things like that.

 

An experienced gun handler can tell the difference by the weight of the weapon. I'm a former police officer and my later father was also a Chicago police officer. We learn those kind of things in the academy.

The issue I have with this whole set-up is I don't give a damn if they were bored or wanting to have fun, there is NO reason live bullets should be on a studio set for ANY reason. NONE. Yeah, it sucks for the gun aficionados but one person is dead, another injured and every involved has had their mental health crashed over this incident. This is NOT okay and if banning ALL live ammunition is a way to make sure idiots can't be idiots (yes, they WILL find another way to do stupid sh&t), so be it.

You can't light up a cigarette indoors anywhere except your own house and vehicle. I and all my siblings have asthma because our mother is a 4 pack a day smoker. We were trapped with that junk in the house and the car and everywhere else. Those laws did exist back then and the addicted are ticked about it. So what? Yes, you have every right to give YOURSELF COPD and/or lung cancer. You do NOT have the right to subject the rest of us to your nasty, stinky gross tobacco sticks.

Ban live ammunition on sets. Don't like it? Get off the damn set and get back to your daycare center for being a big baby. If you want to live in society you live by that society's rules. Otherwise, take your <censored> to a deserted island and make all the rules you want. Until then, put up or shut up. Full stop.

 

Yes, they should not assume every actor knows something about firearms. I would assume Spielberg had very good armorers while shooting Private Ryan or Clint Eastwood while shooting Flags of Our Fathers, because those sets has hundreds of actors, many of whom were there only to run around and shoot their rifles.

 

Fight me.

 

See post #649. It looks like it was an actual, real bullet in the gun, not a blank. So that changes things.

 

I'm really surprised that any prop gun is allowed to come anywhere near live ammo

 

I would like to know more about the gun, did it have a history that made it especially attractive to those who handled it. Lots of rules were ignored, why?

 

My question is: WHY was there any kind of "live" ammunition the set to begin with??

Having any form of live ammunition on a set is just asking for trouble.

 

I believe it was either a replica or real gun from the 1880s as that is when the film is set

 

I was taught a rule since the first day I ever touched a gun - treat ALL guns as if they are loaded - always - no if's, and's or buts. There is no way in hell I would ever point a gun at anyone unless I had no other choice, much less a gun that someone just handed to me and said was safe.

I'm not a fan of Alec, but I think he will take the heat if LE charges him, and he'll accept a Judge or Jury's verdict.

 

I read something about it that made me wonder if maybe this particular gun had a history that made people want an opportunity to shoot it. Things are starting to come out now so maybe the story will start to fill in for us.

 

That’s the role I would assign an armorer. If I were an armorer I would instruct actors in safe firearm handling and how to verify safety of a weapon. In these cases we are intentionally violating firearm safety rules (never point a weapon at something you aren’t willing to destroy, etc). This means we should have more eyes and brains involved in safety, not less. It seems actors and producers want less safety than is required of any other firearm user even though they are intentionally violating safety protocols used to prevent these accidents in other gun use scenarios.

If I walk into a gun shop it’s assumed all the firearms for sale are unloaded and safe. But the first thing the shop employee does when he/she picks up a gun from the display is open the action and check to be sure it’s unloaded. They also check to make sure the magazine is empty if one is present. Even though I watch the salesperson make the weapon safe the first thing I do when the firearm is in my possession is visually and sometimes tactilely check the chamber to ensure it’s empty and check the magazine if present.

Any time one person is handed a firearm or picks up a firearm they haven’t already safety checked a safety check is done. It’s how people who are serious gun people handle firearms. It’s how accidents are avoided. And we never point the unloaded or loaded weapon at something we aren’t willing to destroy. Actors are intentionally violating the rules on pointing weapons in unsafe directions and also bypassing or outsourcing the only safety measures left to prevent accidents to someone else.

It’s an incomprehensible illogically bizarre protocol to anyone knowledgeable of or actively using firearms for practical purposes.

 

Maybe actors should be NRA certified to handle guns in movies?? Leftist Hollywood would love that!

 

It’s trumps fault.

 

That's a given

 

It seems that the only safe assumption is: that every actor knows nothing about firearms. Even if they themselves think they do.

What is fascinating is that it s more popular to discuss the weaponry of these types of incidents........than the life lost and injured. Or those indirectly affected.

One is yet to know the answer as to why any live ammunition was on the set to begin with. That seems like the most common sense question. Who ever allowed/ brought live ammunition to the set........ is also responsible. There is NO need for live ammunition on a movie set. A movie set is not a place to play with real guns. There are appropriate places for that kind of behavior.

This is an example of sloppy management of movie equipment Folks can discuss gun rules etc all they want........but why not remove the dangerous component completely. No one can fully control the human factor. of carelessness, recklessness, and garden variety of mistakes that can happen...

No gun rule is perfect .......as it is the human element that plays a big part in what happens.

 

Clint Eastwood would not agree.

Clint may not be hi plains drifter lethal, but Clint is good with guns and knows guns.

So did the late great Jewish American Charlton Heston...l

 

Don't much are if they agree. SAFETY FIRST!!!! If their arrogant egos' can't handle it.......too bad. The hero worship..........is astounding.

What is it with guns that has folks so enthralled ??

 

One side wants to defund the police and confiscate guns.

If you do not have a gun and the police do not respond, are you safe?

 

Like 10 years ago the newly elected police chief in Detroit told the citizens to arms themselves with guns since it takes 30 minutes and longer for police to respond to violence calls……if they responded at all.

 

And that very same side does not want the American people to know how many are dead from the murderous fraud vax, last reported by CDC in mid July at 11,900 dead....

 

I guess the framers forgot to add that to the 2nd amendment.

Are you sure? He was FOR gun control, and I can pretty much guarantee he hired professionals to make sure his movie sets were good and safe as opposed to assuming every actor knows everything about guns.

 

who wants to take your precious guns away?? That seems to be a chronic fear of some. Don't worry , It won't happen. Weapons are here to stay. That does not mean that the anti gun folks should not have an opinion... Anti gun folks don't ave to have guns.

There seems to be more concern for gun issues than there are for the humans hurt , and lost due to weapons. THAT i find disheartening.......and a statement about society in general.

 

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