A Chinese government spokesperson said the US committed 'evil crimes' against Native Americans....

and the truth is, they want our money and we want their cheap labor, no one wants to protest the other that much to isolate themselves from the other and both sides know it

 

Well you Democrats sure love reminding us about all the bad things America did in the past.

Speaking of your avatar and objective facts, correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that's a possum.

I hope you know more about other things than you do about possums. Did you know that a possum is a marsupial and did you know that marsupials come from Australia? Yes the possum is native to Australia. Now you know something more than you knew before.

We know your president's pretty cozy with China.

 

Can you please point to any genocide that is occurring in the United States today?

I mean asides from Mass abortion of black babies

 

Historical facts are historical facts, and I'm not the one doing the reminding. Hell, until it upset you to hear this historical fact, I'm pretty sure I had only written ONE SENTENCE about it in this thread. Because, you know, it's part of the topic.

*sigh* Time for some zoology 101. First of all, my friend took that picture . . . In Texas, which is not *checks notes* . . . nope, not part of Australia. The animal in that photo is a North American Opossum. Didelphis marsupialis virginiana. They are native to the United States. They are not found in the wild anywhere outside North and Central America. No, they do not live in Australia, except in zoos.

They are all over my neighborhood. Hell, I had to chase one off my fence a few months ago so my dogs wouldn't get to it. I can't drive anywhere around here without seeing their roadkill. My uncle referred to them (along with squirrels, rabbit, and raccoons) as "yard meat."

The animal you are thinking of is an entirely different species. Hell, they aren't even in the same ORDER. And they are easy to tell apart. the possums that live in Australia are not opossums. They aren't the same kind of animal as the one in this picture. They don't even really look that much alike. And, frankly, they are easy to tell apart for anyone who ever so much as cracked open Zoobooks as a kid. Hell, I'm pretty sure the Australian possums don't even have prehensile tails, like the one this fella is hanging from.

Oh, and no, marsupials don't "come from Australia." That's where most of them are now. Australia is not where they originated.

There we go. Now you know several things you didn't know before. I've been a wildlife preservation volunteer for decades. You aren't going to teach me anything about my local wildlife.

Well, they were pissed enough at OUR president that, you know, this thread happened. For someone who is so cozy with China, he sure doesn't mind pissing them off.

 

Fascinating tale of American mythology....I am reading a book by a genius, Daniel Graeber, called "The Dawn of Everything".

One of the very first topics they cover are the rarely revealed debates between Europeans and Native Intellectuals on the eastern seaboard. As it turns out, many of the ideas that fed the Enlightenment in Europe were directly related to the incredible debates between the two cultures. The idea that all men are created equal came from natives not from Locke or Rousseau or Hobbes. Were the natives more or less violent than any other human society? Nope. They were human beings which is why their presence and cultures were so revolutionary to the Europeans. Its really quite fascinating to learn about memoirs written by first contacts that were the philosophical basis for ideas all of us were taught originated in Europe. You mention Cynthia Parker and the Comanches. She wanted to return to tribal life because she saw that western life was miserable. Life for the natives was not miserable, it was pure freedom. Private property did not exist. Hunger rarely existed. They did not abuse the land nor did they waste time on material possessions. Every person was equal. Sounds like Rousseau's paradise, a state of nature. The Europeans were living in Hobbes nightmare and the natives understood it immediately.

 

That is also true albeit unrelated to the post or the thread.

 

Permission granted, with pleasure.

 

The reference is that the US kidnap and put native Americans in concentration camps with to cleanse out their heritage and make them Christian, till 1968! So you can leave your great great grandparents out of it. That generation is still around. Nobody got reimbursed over what they did to them poor people. Nobody got convicted. The national government expressed zero regret about it so far. They do not even know the extend of it, because they just started to look into it. Canada did this too. 1500 people died in 7 of those camps. The US had 100's and 100's.

Are you American without a total clue about your own history?

 

Did you release the amount of reparations money you've given back yet? It's looking grim for you.

 

Indeed, isn't it just amazing that all those evil, vicious, tribal and barbaric things remain in the past and never happen in the present? Oh, but wait... What is this?

https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs27/27612/estimate.htm

 

Progressives could have stepped up to the plate and offered to educate the native children, but none of them did.
The only ones who offered to educate them were Christian groups.
So that's what happened.

 

Yeah, our society is becoming debased and returning to barbarism. Thanks for noticing

 

What non-religious education even really existed at the time?

 

Progressives could have donated money to educate those children with their parents. But they did not.

Christians were the only ones to volunteer their services.
So the government brought the children to Christian schools.

It's the same as today. Progressives talk about all sorts of wonderful things, but when it actually comes to their own personal pocketbook, they don't tend to be so generous.

 

Those who condemn Christian schools of promoting a specific ideology seem to not understand that all secular schools do the same thing. Secular schools are instruments of indoctrination.

 

It seems to me if you are donating your time, labor, services (and even some money) towards educating children, then you should also have the right to teach them something about your religious beliefs.

No non-Christian group or persons would have provided their time or money to run these schools.

I'm sure if there had been a secular non-religious group who had offered to educate those children, the government would have said yes.

 

I am not American. Given the American liberal's tendency to give half a story I would have to know
the other side of the account, and its context, before I figured it out for myself.


This is how some people use the half truth:

Fact - half of all kids in religious boarding schools died in the 1800's.
Truth - half of all kids died, regardless of where they were.

 

Yeah, that's the Left's POV. Wasn't always so - the Left wanted to crush indigenous people, just as it
opposed Lincoln and his views on slavery. But times change, and the thing triumphed by the Left, the
enlightenment, is now subjected to tribal woke attacks.
European life wasn't 'miserable' and Commanche life wasn't 'miserable' - they were 'miserable as viewed
through the lense of each other. And Commanches DID like these empowering animals called 'horses'
and they did love matches, and steel axes, and binoculars and best of all - guns and alcohol.

 

You are welcome

 

I think you are wrong - some aboriginal tribal groups, were exterminated after the arrival of colonists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#British_colonization_of_the_Americas

 

What happened is that the US government took native American children based on their ethnicity by force, locked them up in concentration camps to cleanse out their heritage and make them Christians... starting by renaming them. Sexual abuse and physical abuse to the point of killing them, happened without a care in the world. They were not just schooled but also slaved around. Poor to no medical treatment and starving to death happened. Because... during the apartheid era of the US, their lives flat out did not matter at all. Canada had a similar policy and they bothered to keep the numbers, and they show it was far worse than an other boarding school.

And with that, it is on par with them gulags the Chinese have. Since the US government never showed any kind of regret, or repaid the victims for the bizar inhumane treatment or took any kind of legal actions against the people who did the abuse.... it is flat out hypocritical that America starts to lecture China about it. China rightfully points this out. And that is what this is about.

This isn't about 1800's. That's when it started, but it ended in 1968! They ended it further in 1978... because the reports how their concentration camps functioned were simply too awful. 1978 was the year where the US government lost the right to forcefully remove native American children for being native American children.

Australia also did something like this. It was also just totally atrocious. So that fact and truth thing that you brought up, is fiction.

 

at least we agree that it's true what I say

 

And this story is like the Palestinian one, the Vietnam War one, even the one about Europeans
marching across Tasmania to shoot every aborigine --- there's always another side, and until I
read it I would take these 'facts' warily.
And this has nothing to do with what China is doing TODAY, NOW.

 

I like this quote
Human nature effects Americans, last and present, just as it does every single human being ever born. What the OP
refers to has been done by literally every civilization that ever existed. We play a foolhardy game judging people
hundreds of years ago by today’s standards.
BTW, all of Western Civilization - including America - is an historical anomaly. We’re a Democratic, generous and
tolerant society, as opposed to vicious, tribal, barbarism which is the historical norm, and it will not last forever, We
should recognize our violent past without considering our society as evil, and at the same time recognize the good
country we have become.

It's been my experience that people who go on about some incident in our society to justify us not paying attention
to a greater incident elsewhere --- care neither for the current situation nor the one they refer to from the past. It's
the hate that matters. Take away the reason for the hate and the hater will find another thing to hate.

 

This entire thread is about China accusing the US of being hypocrites since they did that to the native Americans as well.
And if you now say that you got no clue what they are talking about, AND have no intention to look it up....
Yeah well. I can't be bothered to do it for you. Best of luck to find somebody else who is willing to do that.

And no. This isn't about shooting the indigenous. China doesn't do that either at the moment.