The mentality of socialism versus capitalism

this isn't a good tactic. If you can't reach people it's not their fault

you are a generalizing people based on who they voted for I don't think I would be talking about anybody's rationale if that's the rationale you're using.

You're basically saying everyone you disagree with is irrational. That's typically because you can't rationalize with these people and that sounds more like a fault with you.

I personally think a lot of people suffer from diarrhea of the mouth I'm not saying this is you in this case I'm just saying I've noticed it. They think the more words they type the more intelligent they are and that's not the way it works and sometimes geniuses and simplicity. It takes an awful lot of intelligence and self-awareness and emotional intelligence to be able to rationalize with someone who you disagree with about things. That being said I don't know which paragraphs you're referring to. So again I will state that I'm not referring to you.

I do understand it is easy to get in the habit of dismissing people who type a lot.

 

Socialism hasn't changed much in 75 years??
Oh dear.
Time to prepare some lunch. I don't have the hours it would take to explain how it has indeed changed in all the countries it occurs in and you wouldn't read it anyway.

 

Are you going to say Norway and Sweden because those are not socialist countries. They are capitalist countries with a large welfare system. I would go as far as to say they are more capitalist than the US. There are a lot more things that are privatized there that aren't in the US.

 

Socialism is just a nicer way of saying totalitarian Communism.

 

I gave him an out if he was learning disabled didn't I?
Nope, he does this on purpose.

And for an example of a country with capitalism that resorts to eating zoo animals and pets..People do, right here at home in the good ol USA.

 

In a capitalist country bread waits for you, in a socialist country you go wait for bread in a line.

 

You advocates of socialism are all the same.... Excuse it's long history of failure and assure us that it will be different..... this time.

Enjoy your lunch dear. And everything else!

 

Believe me...discussing the ins and outs of socialism in all its forms in the space some people are willing to spend time reading...two minutes perhaps... is beyond the ability of even the most intelligent or pithy.
The somewhat intellectually outrageous summary of the perceived and grossly general wrongs of socialism based on a fabricated example, to be discussed in a few short sentences, tells me the OP has a trite, superficial understanding of the issues. In fact he never really pulled even one idea from my reply and discussed it. ie the various applications of socialism, its successes and failures, the use of taxpayers' money, the mixed economies that are necessary to make both systems work better.
His response was a critique of the length of my reply...not even on topic.

 

When you make someone the topic instead of the topic you should expect that.

I would think someone of such a lofty intellectual stature would understand such a simple concept

 

I don't remember defending socialism.
I would be useful if you could give some examples of both my defense of socialism and some of its failures. Then we can start to discuss your OP.
Maybe later though.

 

No that's an insult.

No doubt.

But they aren't raiding zoos and eating all the animals. They did that in Venezuela.

 

Perhaps it would be useful to agree on a definition of socialism. Then we are all discussing the same thing. As I said, it is a broad church.

 

But are all of these paragraphs just a way to try and overcomplicate something that is really quite simple? I've seen it before I'm not a socialist I'm a Democratic socialist I'm a socialist Democrat. I get that people spend a long time trying to find out distinctions to make about these things but really it's just variations on a theme.

it only seems to be a nuanced subject to people who are trying to excuse it.

mixing these two things that are opposite is like mixing evolution and creationism they're just incompatible.

I'm not saying you did this but I've run across people that do try and overcomplicate things to make them seem more nuanced and more intricate than they really are.

 

I consider socialism to be the public owning the means of production. Text book definition essentially.

 

We never made it that far, nor will we..He's admitted to being to lazy to read anything of dissenting opinion.

 

By that definition, the OP is nonsense.

 

Did anybody try to simplify?

 

Well, I wont be able to simply the mentality of a socialist cause I'm not one..We had one here willing to discuss their thoughts, but the dismissal kinda ruined that.

 

Seven words. Going for a record this morning are we?

Try to elaborate and tell us why you think it's nonsense?

 

~ What this recent " election " had made me sadly realize it just how many Americans do not appreciate the unique freedoms , protections and opportunity that we often take for granted. Unlike other socialist nations the USA spends a big budget on military and defense - sometimes at the expense of other more domestic needs. However without this there would be a much weaker NATO. America gives more foreign aid than all other countries combined. U.S military keeps the peace in S. Korea and fights terrorism in the mideast.
Our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights is worth fighting for. We own something to the military veterans who gave their lives, and to the young and unborn who should enjoy the same as we do.
With all of it's problems , political strife and dysfunctions I would rather take my chances in the USA than anywhere else.

 

So nobody tried to simplify, not saying that is your responsibility.

 

Text book definition of socialism to be the public owning the means of production.

Nothing you posted has any relation to this.

 

you have described the uniquely american religion called the "prosperity gospel." this faith that god favors the people he loves with material wealth leads, inevitably, to faith that a self declared billionaire is uniquely qualified to lead god's chosen nation to even greater glory and the return of jesus (after, of course, the destruction of everyone . the adherents don't like.)

a feature of all american evangelism is manichaeism, displayed in the op as "deregulated capitalism is god's own economic system delivered to moses on mt sinai. the ONLY alternate system is full state controlled socialism which is satan's own evil and can never work because of "human nature."

 

since you do not seem to understand capitalism i will let you in on rule #1. the way to achieve your conspicuous consumer dream is not to work harder, but to get others to work harder. the poorest coal miner in kentucky works harder than trump himself and will NEVER buy a used f150 with tread on the tires.much less that curvaceous, shapely detroit product that your example desires so much that he will sacrifice his family and friends to possess it.

how ever did humans live before capitalism? the system has only existed since the commons (where the families of "commoners" lived) were enclosed. with a few notable exceptions- william penn, lord baltimore and such- america was settled by hard working commoners, displaced with their families from farms they had tended since the saxons landed in wessex and before.

A Short History of Enclosure in Britain | The Land Magazine

government has been involved in free markets (which have existed since flint was traded for mammoth teeth) . regulating weights and measures, minting coins, protecting from outlaws, punishing fraud, chartering guilds etc for thousands of years. regulation is necessary for a functional market.

is full tilt socialism" with state ownership of farms and factories the only alternative to caveat emptor capitalism?

“Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work together for the benefit of all.”

― John Maynard Keynes

 

My thread was not attempting to define socialism.

Very few of you posting in it can seem to grasp that