Omicron spreads mostly among vaccinated

By "preventing COVID-19," they mean preventing the kind of disease that hospitalizes and kills people, exactly like I said. It does not mean preventing all infection by, and spread of the virus.

 

Listen to what comes out of their mouths, for Christ's Sacred Sake !
They mean what they say - They mean the PREVENTION of INFECTION


Joe Biden - "You are not going to get COVD if you've had these Vaccinations"

Fauci - "These Vaccines are highly-highly effective"

Talking Head - "Vaccinated people do not carry the Virus, Don't get sick"

Bill Gates - "Our key goal is to stop the transmission - get the immunity levels
.................................. up so you get almost NO infection going on WHATSOEVER"

Fauci - "When people are Vaccinated they can feel safe that they are not
............................................................................................ going to get Infected"

Joe Biden - "if you are vaccinated you are not going to be Hospitalized,
..................... you are not going to be in ICU, and you're not going to die"
......................&
...................."if you are fully Vaccinated you no longer need to wear a mask"

etc etc etc
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So how do these Promises line up with present Reality ?
I suggest you put these slugs on to your Unreliable List
and reconsider least you fall into an Intellectual Myopia

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A vaccine cannot make a virus "even deadlier". A virus does not choose to mutate in response to a vaccine. Mutations constantly happen randomly. Viruses do not evolve in the same way as organisms that reproduce

 

There are several virologists and immunologists dissenting from the official narrative who disagree with your claim.

They point out that antibody dependent enhancement can occur. Certain data suggests they are correct.

Recall that the shots in question are not vaccines. They are gene editing platforms, NOT vaccines in the traditional sense of the word.

 

Which is why I started this line of thought with a question. I only suspect that the presence of the vaccine in hundreds of millions of people will alter its evolution from what it otherwise would've been.

 

It should be noted that the actual medical empirical reality differs significantly from the ideological poo poo some propaganda outlets try to substitute:

85% of people hospitalized with COVID-19's omicron variant are unvaccinated

Without enough critical workers during the Omicron variant’s surge, some facilities say they must limit capacity to assure proper patient care.
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The ideologues' contempt for caregivers and critically-ill fellow Americans is astounding.
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But most of those hospitalized in New York are not hospitalized because of covid - they showed up for some other condition and happened to test positive with covid.
Huge difference!

 

Perhaps, but still 85% of those that showed up for some other condition and happened to test positive with covid were unvaccinated.

 

What is the source of your claim?

Rather than taking the ideologically-driven propaganda seriously, I'll heed the pleas of overwhelmed caregivers across the nation for whom the hospitalizations and icu cases of all the unvaccinated make it so difficult for Americans to receive needed care for a wide variety of maladies.

Unvaccinated still filling up hospitals

Hospitals Overwhelmed By Unvaccinated Patients

Omicron is causing a critical shortage of staff at hospitals

A quarter of US hospitals are critically short of staff because of omicron

At CMC, unvaccinated hospital patients grinding system to a halt

Unvaccinated Ohioans Driving COVID-19 Hospitalization Surge

NY Pediatric COVID Hospitalizations Up 8x; Most Are Unvaccinated

Omicron is sending vaccinated people to the hospital, but unvaccinated are more likely to end up in ICU
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If people are in hospital with covid but have it in asymptomatic or mild form - why are they counted? The lack of such clarity is a bad thing because it results in mass hysteria that we observe now. How many people really died from omicron?

 

https://www.newsweek.com/42-new-yor...patients-admitted-other-reasons-1667220?amp=1

This article says 42%. Ive seen articles claiming 51%. 42% is not that far from 51%, so the point stands - a huge junk of hospital covid cases are in hospitals for reasons that are not related to covid. If you fall on a New York sidewalk, break your arm, show up at the ER to put a cast on and happen to test positive for covid - is it right to count you among hospitalized covid patients, even though covid did not cause your symptoms to be strong enough for you to even take the test on your own accord?
When people see covid hospitalizations they assume covid was the cause for the patient to be there.

 

If ideologues, as a tenet of a politically transparent agenda, need to pretend that ICUs are not being overwhelmed by the unvaccinated, as caregivers plead with Americans to get fully vaccinated, that is what the ideologues will do. Might these patients have other conditions? Of course. You will probably not find patient ICU notes that read "Perfectly healthy - except for Covid."

In matters of public health, I do not regard ideologues with no medical credentials as authorities.

Covid surge fills up 80% of ICU beds across U.S.

Trump:
"The ones-- the ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don't take their vaccine... And if you take the vaccine you're protected. Look, the results of the vaccine are very good. And if you do get it, it's a very minor form. People aren't dying when they take the vaccine!"
https://news.yahoo.com/vaccines-trump-praises-vaccinations-covid-160343357.html​

 

I know your views are far left.
I just want to say that eventually people will understand that they went way overboard with Omicron hysteria. In today’s world, the truth eventually prevails. I just hope it will happen just in time for mid-term elections.

 

Your extreme, hyper-partisan bias is blatant, but I ignore politicians and cite medical authorities who base their recommendations upon empirical data, not your ideological dogma.

If you can ween yourself off radio entertainers like Alex Jones, and take seriously public health experts like Dr Walensky, you may encounter reality:

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Seems Durandal no longer wants to talk of those people "...not...worth Listening to ."
........................... Maybe he could invite "Judge Sonja Sotomayor" to sit at his table
..................................................................................of 'People' "...not...worth Listening to ."


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Liberal U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor
Spreads COVID Misinformation During Hearing
https://americanlookout.com/liberal...-spreads-covid-misinformation-during-hearing/

CDC DIRECTOR SAYS JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR LIED
ABOUT KIDS DURING JAB MANDATE ORAL ARGUMENTS
see Vid
https://walls-work.org/cdc-director...kids-during-jab-mandate-oral-arguments-video/

Supreme Court Justice Spreads COVID misinformation !



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So if caregivers are 'pleading' with people to get vaccinated, then why are caregivers by the thousands being terminated for not getting vaccinated?

 

Same REASONing as This


POOR OLD GUY

 

Those failing to be vaccinated are not among the vast number of caregivers overwhelmed by the unvaccinated in hospitals and ICUs. Termination alleviates them of that crushing burden imposed by the unvaccinated. In any event, they constitute a small percentage. Whether they are predominantly, cleaners, orderlies, etc. is not indicated.

Officials say while it's sad to lose valuable employees, it's essential to keep patients, the workforce, visitors and communities safe.

Mayo Clinic fired 700 employees who didn't comply with its policy to get vaccinated against COVID-19. The dismissed employees constitute about 1% of Mayo's 73,000 workforce.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mayo-clinic-fires-700-unvaccinated-employees/



The dismissed employees make up about 1% of Mayo's 73,000 workforce.

 

Since the majority of those presenting with the latest variant are fully 'vaccinated', I highly doubt anyone is pleading with people to get 'vaccinated'. A large number of those people terminated are nurses and other essential healthcare workers. You know the ones who were applauded about a year ago, but not now.

It's a personal choice. Get the injection if you want it. Don't get if you don't. To keep yammering like the injection is going to provide any additional prevention for other people, or even for those who have received the injection, is disingenuous at best.

 

You follow authorities, but are not really taking the liberty of thinking through the orders that you are following. Medical authorities have been wrong in the past on many occasions.

First of all - I don’t listen to political talk shows. In fact, I don’t listen to any radio at all. I’m an early millennial and am perfectly capable of finding my own content that fits my educational and life experience background.
Second - CDC fails to recognize women. They do not represent science - they represent opinions of a goon that was picked for Biden by woke members of his administration. Bidens vaccine mandate ignoring cell-mediated immunity is a bright example of how they can ignore entire area of immune system to further their goals with total disregard of real science.

 

The most serious cases requiring hospitalizations and intensive care are unvaccinated.

It is a highly-communicable disease. That is why so many caregivers are pleading with those still resistant to get vaccinated.

As is the case with the Mayo Clinic, while it's unfortunate to lose employees, recalcitrant ones can't be allowed to endanger others. It is absolutely essential to keep patients, the workforce, visitors, and communities safe.

Of course, when Americans demanded that cigarette smokers stop polluting the air around them and endangering their health with second-hand spoke, some nicotine addicts became hysterical, but respect for others prevailed.

Does the government have a responsibility to the public regarding public health? Typhoid Mary thought not.

When you claim that "a large number of those people terminated are nurses and other essential healthcare workers," what source are you citing, if any?

 

Here's once source.... How many health workers lost jobs due to NY vaccine mandate? (lohud.com)
And another.... COVID-19: 30% of healthcare workers in US hospitals not vaccinated (medicalnewstoday.com)
and another.... Many hospital-based health care workers remain unvaccinated against COVID-19 (healio.com)

Meanwhile, with the catch-carry-and-transmit of those who are 'fully' vaccinated, trying to claim the unvaccinated as the problem? Not quite.

If you want the injection, get it. If you don't want it, don't get it. Personal choice about what goes into or stays in your body applies across the board.

 

This is the current Dem narrative. However, President Biden did say (at a CNN townhall, look it up) that "if you get the vaccine, you won't get covid." Which is a perfectly reasonable assumption. When our children get the measles vaccine, for instance, we don't worry every day that they will contract measles. Even though there is probably a very few breakthrough cases; it's rare and we don't worry about it. So...for all practical purposes, the vaccine really doesn't work. He didn't say "it would protect against serious illness"; he said we wouldn't get covid.

 

Why do the vaccinated care if some people don't get vaccinated anyway? They say the vaccine works, so they're protected, right? And they react gleefully when an unvaccinated person dies, so they should be perfectly happy. Right??

I'm vaccinated, but I still consider it a personal choice and none of anyone else's business.

 

It's not a narrative and it's not political. It's what doctors and scientists are saying based on the science, i.e. the data.

Stop politicizing the pandemic.