The mentality of socialism versus capitalism

Bet you I'm a good 20 years younger than you are.

Probably younger than 90% of this board.

 

What you find on an incognito google search "illegal immigrants caught voting" is a lot of debunking of the claim there are many instances.

 

I bet you're wrong. You'll have to wait until morning for me to prove it though.

I'm posting on this stupid smartphone now and I don't know how to copy and paste links but I've got access to my laptop again that's at the house right now and I'll certainly look it up.

 

Uh huh.

 

Being in unions can help.

 

Well then don't ask questions you have no business asking.

 

Way to subtle for some around here.

 

I've spent time in these countries, some for months. Their quality of life is pretty good. I think the U.S. has a hard time getting on the list because of our high poverty rate.

 

You could have answered the others. Instead, you took flight...

 

Meaning?

 

Okay let me guess the point you were trying to drive at it's because capitalism is bad right?

 

There's an element of truth to it. The City of Rolling Hills atop the Palos Verdes Peninsula south of Los Angeles is a private city. You can only come into the city as a resident or guest. 24-hour gate guards at city entrances. Inside the city, homes and home additions must be approved by the city.

 

That's nice. But is the "emotive propagandist terminology" true? It appears so, which makes it irrelevant whether your personal opinion about how propagandist it may or not be completely moot. Under a socialist economy, they starved. When they switched over to private property and capitalism, they not only didn't starve, they produced so much they had the ability (combined with a profit motive) to sell/trade to outsiders.

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

 

Nope. Capitalism is the natural form of production. Private property aspirational.

 

Keep digging.

 

I see no evidence you understand younger Millennials or Gen Z. I think a big thing for them is their lack of loyalty to their employer and "the job." It may serve them well in the future when in 25 years many won't have paid work.

 

I see no evidence you understand them either. See I can give an opinion and make it sound like a declaratory statement too.

As much as I hate to say it I am a millennial myself though if I'd been born a year earlier I don't think I would qualify

 

My daughter and son-in-law are younger Millennials. Both say they're different from the people they supervise. Makes sense to me after what I ran across as a teacher.

 

I have a 28-year-old friend. We've been friends for about 5 years and we understand one another perfectly.

 

Easy. Any person on the planet can apply to become a registered voter, and simply by checking a box that is not subject to any scrutiny, they can become a registered voter. For example, a Chinese national that looks Chinese and doesn't speak a word of English can fill out the form, and deliver it to a registrar's office, and they will be treated as a citizen just based on their word. Whoever processes the paperwork won't question them, no documentation will be requested or required, and if anyone DID question anything, they would be accused of racial profiling or some other such nonsense, possibly lose their job, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was literally a crime in some States just to ask the obvious question.

They will not be tracked, there will be no follow-up, nobody will check their bonafides, there are no audits at all, and boom... instant US Citizen voter, based on nothing more than that person checking a box and giving their word that it's true. And it's easy peasy to get away with because nobody is watching, nobody is investigating, and nobody is asking reasonable but politically incorrect questions.

I know that if I were an illegal alien and know what I know, I would register to vote and cast my ballot for the candidates promising me free stuff, which is the Democratic party. The chances of getting caught are probably less than the chances of getting hit by lightning twice, because NOBODY is looking.

It's not all that dissimilar to how the left is handling crimes these days... Criminals are emboldened because they know that even if they get arrested, they'll be released on $0 bail, and unless they literally put a bullet in someone, it's likely they won't even be prosecuted.

 

I'd like to address this question again having had a bit more time to reflect on it....

Why would a person who has already demonstrated they have no problem breaking the law hesitate to break another law?

The existence of an illegal alien practically necessitates fraud on multiple levels. To begin with the most obvious one would obviously be a fake ID.

I've been told that illegals pay income taxes. In order for them to do that they would need to steal someone's identity.

I'm sure there are other examples if I took the time to think about it but those are just off the top of my head.

 

True. But people and businesses should be charged based on how much they use the roads (via a weight/mile fee and tolls), not based on their income or any other means. And it should be calculated in such a way as to cover 100% of the costs of building and maintaining roads, bridges, etc., but not a penny more to subsidize this or that pork project. It's equitable, and then it becomes a fee, not a tax, very similar to charging users of electricity based on how much they use.

User fees should also apply to many other things, like park admission, public transportation, public schools, etc., etc.

 

Digging what?

You know what don't worry about it whatever you have to say it's not worth reading

 

OK FB.
I am getting sick of this.
YOU brought up black kids selling drugs.
I did not.
I was polite enough to answer YOUR provocative question.

In English I took up youçr "black kids selling drigs cross coungy lines;
Not ALLL black kids...tjose who sell dring across country lines.

So those on low incomes don't use their cars,, don't go to parks, don't use the bus, don't send their children to school.
OK.
Such is the quality of life for the lower paid in the wealthiest country in the world.

 

Socialism includes private property and a profit motive.
Please read the definition in WIKI.
Miriam webster is incorrect and is in fact describing communism.

However socialism attempts to equalise those elements of production and profit which are NOT equal at source.
ie some people are allocated fields of equal size but not of quality.
Some are near a stream so water is easy and some are on slopes subject to erosion.
Life is NOT equal for huge numbers for people and socialism offers them a hand in using a level playing field.

The US does through say, welfare, but you don't call it what it is...socialism. You call it capitalism and I note you seem to think those who started out or found some bumps along the way are to be punished, not helped, for using public amenities, and incrementally far more when relative to their incomes.
I do find this a cruel aspect of your capitalism. You assume everyone is equally able to pay for every aspect of their lives. I consider a walk in the park a community amenity that should be free for everyone because everyone has contributed.
Following your logic, I have to assume that everyone should pay for the sidewalks they will have to take because it will be too expensive to take the bus.