The mentality of socialism versus capitalism

While Wikipedia is good for basic information, when it comes to political information it is a source of propaganda. Clearly agenda driven and anything but objective.

I would certainly take Merriam-Webster's definition any day.

Did I not read somewhere that Merriam-Webster himself warned about the dangers of changing definitions?

Look how they recently changed the definition of vaccine, it used to mean it would actually protect you against catching whatever it was. Not anymore.

Isn't this phenomenon describe somewhere in the novel 1984?

 

Indeed and unfortunately unions have been suppressed in the last 20 or so years.
The freedom of speech they afforded has now been diluted into electing political representatives who may or may not take up their issues.

 

In my comparatively socialist state, we pay a rate suggested by the mayor for garbage collection of ONE bin of standard size and the mayor can add or subtract how many pickups there are to be...if there is an issue believe me the people of the town will ket him know.

However that is playing on an example of a more fundamental point.

No one is charging anyone more for a loaf of bread. Nor any groceries.
No one is jealous of anyone and that is something said only by the comparatively rich.
There are more working poor in laces I am familiar with than non working poor.
Just yesterday the UK government has reduced the time someone can be looking for work before their benefits are cut from 3 months to three weeks. I know of people who work THREE jobs and can just about make ends meet.

I'll tell you what needs to be done.
Meanwhile th richest in the community have increased their wealth by a factor of, on average, four or five times.
It isn't because of prices in markets. It is because they can afford to play with and invest in projects worth millions of dollars, know people who will invest in them, award contracts to their businesses, (as did the UK govt re PPE two years ago and some of which were fake companies), play the old boy network and plpay the stock markets.

Your country is NOT a level playing field. How can the poor "work hard enough" to overcome all that??

 

Socialism acknowledges we’re all in this together (like a close knit military unit possibly).
It is an approach to group existence.
If resources are scarce they can still be shared for the good of all.
Capitalism might be about enterprise, but is also about greed…land ‘ownership’ being an example of that.

 

Not true at all. Socialism is not recognition or some sort of unity. It is a demand backed up by force that all will conform to the collective.

Nothing is shared it is forcibly taken and rationed. If one suffers all must suffer equally.

 

Not in a democracy when politicians offer you a manifesto and you either like it or you don't.
You are talking about Russian communism post 1918. Over 100 years ago.

 

In any form of government. Yes even in a democracy.

Just because you vote to force others into obediance does not make it less of a violation of their rights.

 

I am afraid you are wrong.
Patriotism is a demand ( the draft) backed up by force (imprisonment, shot at dawn) that all will conform (uniforms, following orders) to the collective.
Socialism is a different philosophy considering what might be best for everybody whatever their standing in life.
Incidentally, rationing happens when there is not enough to go round.

 

Socialism is the exact same demand but for all not just the military.

Socialism is the same old philosophy of every tyrant who has ever lived. They all know what is best for every one regradless of standing and rule accordingly.

Socialist rationing makes sure there is not enough to go around because no one is allowed to provide for themselves.

I am not wrong and you have faiiled to refute me

 

sigh.
No one is forcing anyone into anything when the community votes for it!!

You are forced into paying taxes. Driving on the right. Stopping at a red light. Do you resent that??

If you do, stand for office, suggest it and see how far you get.

 

Oh dear.
I just can't be bothered to even start to persuade someone who sees yellow as purple.
All I can do is suggest he read up on various sources discussing socialism . But I doubt he will.

 

You seem to be saying that Patriotism and Socialism are the same.
Socialist sharing of resources makes sure there is enough to go round, the capitalist approach to sharing is certain individuals living off the interest of the interest whilst others have nothing.

 

Wrong.

You just admitted that even when the community votes for it those who oppose it are STILL forced to obey

Yes you are forced into doing all of those things. It is not justified.

Thanks for proving my point

 

Socialists share nothing. They confiscate and ration everything to everyone The goal is not to make sure there is enough to go around but to make others dependent.

The capitalist approach to sharing IS sharing. Sharing is strictly and absolutely an individual choice. Forced collectivist decisions on who should get what is NOT sharing

 

wHat you MEan is that you cannot persuade those smarter thhan you. I know more aboiut it and have read more about it than you.

Your color scheme nonsense is simply an admission that you know i am right and you have no intelligent argument. I acknowledge that you concede.

 

I didn't think very hard about BLM's distaste for capitalism before but I am starting to see why they criticise it.
Capitalism locks out those who don't already have...either property, assets or the right education.
These capitalists look down and say "work harder" while putting as many barriers in the way of those who don't have, as possible, and can because they have the power to do so nad to change those barriers as and when they see their own position challenged.
and the prospects for those minorities who are subject to this, is minimal in a democracy for the simple fact that they are minorities.

I do really find some Americans quite insensitive when it comes to meritocracy.

 

When you know what I have read and lived in, you have the right to compare me with you.

No one who is intelligent has read enough.

 

Maybe you should add democracy to your reading list.

 

So all red lights are instruments of the Great Oppressors?

Whenever you come to an intersection where you cannot see you should just drive on blithely through, trusting in your Faith in Jesus to save you?

 

Interesting question/

When you see an intersection where the power is out what do you and all the other drivers do?

Of course everyone drives much more carefully through the intersection

 

I understand it better than you

 

Not when some idiot decides that s/He doesn't want to obey the collective.

 

when I read your self contradictory posts I have every right to compare and judeg which I did accurately.

You are not better read or informed or enlightened.

 

That is not a collective it is an example of shared mutual benefit

 

Which is the socialism you decry.
A collective decision with the aim to ensure everyone is an equal beneficiary because they are all in the same situation.
If someone who had more power came along ie policeman, he would then start to give orders, perhaps not ones you want to hear. That is the capitalist model.