NFL says all teams must add minority offensive coach, expands Rooney Rule to include women

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We used to say the left’s definition of diversity is less white people, now they seemed to have tweaked it to mean less white men. The NFL is pushing for diversity (less white men) when 70% of the players are from a pool of 6% of the population. Where is the diversity in the defensive backfield? Now they want to force more less-white-men-type diversity on the coaching staffs where ability, or lack it it, can be hidden more easily.

    I’m glad I stopped watching football when the kneeling started. I don’t think a person who believes in merit, a person like me, would enjoy anything where the cast of characters were chosen by race and sex rather than ability. Biden might do that, the NFL might do that with coaches, but I don’t have to watch.

    I have an idea, how about a quota system for how many players on a team need to be from each race and sex, you know, check boxes. You guys game?

    And just for giggles, how many women who believe they’re men do you think will become NFL starters?

     
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    The Rooney rule involves coaching and not players. In the coaching ranks, minorities are underrepresented compared to how many are players. And this only relates to the offensive side of the ball.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I know the rule applies to just coaching where ability and merit are not as important as they are on the field, and it’s on the field where the NFL ignores a lack of diversity.
     
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    On the field, it’s more of a meritocracy.
     
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    So what? The racial makeup of coaches and players is supposed to be equal? Why? Maybe we need more white players then.
     
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    So should coaching don't ya think?
     
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    They aren't? Since when?
     
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    balancing act Well-Known Member

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    Although i'm not outraged by it and will continue to watch the NFL because I like it and have a lot of fun watching it with family and friends, I've had this thought:
    What if the EEOC rules were applied to the NFL or the NBA? It would likely cause quite a stir...........................
    Two things: the percentage of African Americans in the US is 13.4%. Percentage of black players in the NFL is just under 70%.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think they can hide a bad coach better than a bad player.
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    There's no lack of diversity on the field. What are you even talking about?
     
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    Ok, so justify how that would work!!
     
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    Not sure what you mean by justify, but, according to EEOC hiring laws, employers are supposed to hire employees in the same racial ratio as the area they are in.
    Like, if they're area is 50/50 black vs white, they should have 50/50 ratio of employees. The rules are loosely followed, but I've known people who got jobs they probably shouldn't have gotten because of the EEOC rules. It would change the makeup of the NFL and NBA. Not saying I advocate it, I was just "supposing".
    I look forward to a day when we don't need these types of rules. We can see the color of someone's skin, but when we can see it and not assume anything because of it, then we are progressing. Nothing wrong with noticing someone is black, but it's wrong for me to assume anything about them because of it.
     
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    For players, in a meritocracy, the only representation that matters is quality of the player. As far as sports go, in general, they are exactly what we want, a meritocracy, where the color of your skin doesn’t matter, it’s how good you are at the job that matters. That should go for coaching as well, but sadly, they haven’t done the meritocracy as much or we should see closer to the same amount of whatever color player is the majority in the player ranks. Coaches typically are former players. The player pool, formed on meritocracy, is where coaches are being drawn from, by they are not matching the current distribution of demographics in the league. Not even close.
     
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    Yes! So why aren’t there more black coaches when most of the best people to pull from are black? Doesn’t seem like they are using the meritocracy in the coaching ranks, and that’s why the Rooney rule exists.
     
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    I mean jusify because what you are saying are the rules of hiring isn't correct. I don't see anything about a ratio.
    https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices
    Yes, it would change the makeup of those leagues but you would be hard pressed to find where it isn't fair. They both use a draft system. No one is not hired because of their skin color. They aren't hired because of athletic ability.
     
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    Good idea. The team should represent the population. More than half the team needs to be female.
     
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    Yes there is lack of diversity. Black people are FAR overrepresented on the field than white people.
     
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    No worries.
    The NFL will survive.

    The directive sounds like a great idea
     
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    Black guys don't go into coaching at nearly the same rate as whites. Head coaches hire the best candidates that they believe will help them win the same as players. The pool of black coaches is very small, therefore there aren't a lot of black candidates.
     
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    This is American society today. I wonder if the captain that loses the coin toss will slap the referee?
     
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    What does it have to do with their race, it is a meritocracy? It's not a matter of race it is a matter of your own accomplishments and ability to produce results. Wherever some demographic measure lies is simply where it lies.
     
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    Are they over represented or are those in the league just better at playing football? The players get on the field due to how well they play the game. For the other side of this phenomenon(which it is, I can’t believe people have an issue with the ultimate meritocracy)in pro sports, see the NHL.
     
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    You got a depth chart for the players, it's the coach that makes the game plan and calls the plays, bad coaches go faster than bad players.
     
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    Sigh. The players on the field are better than others. Those players are where coaches come from. If the vast majority of players are black, I’d expect the vast majority of coaches to be black. That isn’t the case here, and the Rooney rule was instituted years ago because the owners and gms were not interested in hiring minorities, and yes, it was mostly due to racism.

    Minorities are severely underrepresented in the coaching ranks of the NFL considering the makeup of the players on the field. You know, where coaches come from.
     
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    Why don't you think that goes for coaches too, coaches are fired right and left, you don't produce winning teams they will find a coach who will. It's not a matter of your race it's a matter of how good a coach you are, your proven record.
     
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