The Texas shooting shows the futility of arming teachers

Yes, when they were allowed to do so.

 

Oh bullshirt too. All you're saying that you're making something up. If nobody knows it's there it fracking isn't.

 

It's the police's fault.

Like in Las Vegas.

Like Sandy Hook.

Like Parkland.

Like Columbine.

Like in Miami.

But that a madman could so easily get hold of a gun is not a problem.

That's the price of freedom....

 

Even if it was discovered that he was completely frozen or had a psychotic break, it doesn't change the fact that American madmen have access to all the tools they need to massacre innocent children.

 

The UK is not the USA. You cannot just assert that because something works in the UK that's the way it should work in the USA

I don't believe I said I would ignore you I believe I said I would ignore your opinions.

 

Simply rubbish.
Are you aware of the existence of Wales? Or Scotland, how about Northern Ireland.
If you are going to lecture others about facts, get your facts right.
Do you describe those places the same way Angola is described.
I don’t refer to women as birthing persons, I have never done so, there is no evidence that I have, so there is another fact to get right.

 

Agreed, but it works in very many other countries as well, still no guarantee, it might just be that you Yanks really are bonkers, but worth a discussion. However at the moment even discussion is too much for you.

And would you chat with someone who said they would ignore your opinions?

 

No we do not refer to our lovely women as "birthing persons"
Yuk.

 

The 'tools' didn't massacre the children -- the Ramos-creature did. We need to get rid of the Ramos-creatures among us... not our tools.

 

So?

there's no facts to this it's just a religious relief so it's dismissed out of hand

no they aren't actually a man with a gun stopped the shooter.

yes I will watch this.

Republicans are part of the government and the government wants ultimate power. You having a gun means that you have power and say don't they don't like that.

Why do you want to be exactly like a Republican politician?

You're point?

 

Yep and if he didn't have an assault rifle he'd have done it with a bow and arrow

 

No mass shooter wants to make it out alive.

Getting killed by the police - when they don't turn their guns on them - is suicide by proxy.

Ramos had time to kill 19 children and two teachers.

If he hadn't had access to semi-automatic weapons, all of those people would still be alive.

 

... With guns.

 

then why do they? The ones that don't want to make it out alive shoot themselves

because of gun control.

well this isn't magical fairyland where we can just wave a wand and make all the guns disappear.

And more importantly who cares if they're killed with the revolver are they any less dead?

Or if they were killed by the third round out of the sixth magazine would they be any less dead?

 

He was also stopped with a gun.

It would probably be the only real way to stop him.

And since we can't take guns disappear it would be foolish into disarm the people who would stop it thinking it would disarm the lawless

 

Your reasoning is stupid.

Before a shooter is stopped, he has time to kill many innocent people.

If he didn't have access to a gun, Ramos wouldn't have killed anyone.

 

I simply stated what happened.

Because nobody can stop him a condition created by gun control.

There are 500 million guns in this country he'll have access regardless of whatever stupid words you want written on a piece of paper in a capital building.

You simply do not exist in reality.

 

With all the time he was allowed before law enforcement finally moved in, the Ramos-creature could killed all the victims with a 130 year-old single-action revolver and adequate ammunition. All this "assault weapons" hysteria is complete nonsense and over-stoked distraction.

 

"Guns" didn't invade the school, Arkanis... the Ramos-creature DID....

 

You're right. And the conclusion is that we must (MUST) take much more strong action against 'criminals and crazies' than ever before!

 

The Ramos-creature could never have massacred 19 children if he had not had access to guns.

 

With as much time as he had to do it, the Ramos-creature could have killed all of them and the teachers, too, using nothing but a CHAINSAW! You on the ultra-myopic, hyperliberal Left insist on making the TOOL to be the 'criminal' when it's "Criminals and Crazies" who are the actual, real menace! But, it doesn't fit your anti-self-defense agenda to admit that....

Someday, when you finally muster enough numbers to strip the 2nd Amendment out of the Constitution so that Americans no longer have the right to defend themselves from monsters who will still get illegal weapons and lots of ammunition from every Black Market in the world, you will automatically put the entire American population at the mercy of these CREATURES.

Make yourselves vulnerable to them, if that makes you 'feel good about yourselves' -- but leave the rest of us ALONE!

 

Yes, the emphasis people put on the instrument is inversely proportional to their criticism whatsoever of the shooter. He is just a footnote to their narrative.

 

Well said, and if the 'perp' is a member of a minority group or has a Left-of-Center 'footprint', they say little or nothing about the creature!

Example: remember the Black guy, Darrell Brooks, who was arrested for deliberately slamming a car into crowds of people celebrating a Christmas festival in Waukesha, Wisconsin, killing six people and injuring dozens more...? That whole story disappeared from the news before the end of the year, and, no, Joe Biden didn't fly with his wife to Waukesha to mourn with the survivors and share 'thoughts and prayers'....

And Brooks' trial? They won't even have that until some time next OCTOBER!

 

It's the shooters fault, not the gun.