Any logic hounds out there? Is this a true statement?

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    OK that puts me back at post #3.

    This is become one of those threads in which the two choices are given without context, like "Pepsi or AOC?" Since we can't seem to drill down and get actual definitions for the terms in this thread in the proper context, you cannot advance "logic."
     
  2. politicalcenter

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    If you can't divide zero how do you divide infinity? And anywhere you divided it would be the same. Infinity is equal on both sides of the equation.
     
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    How do you figure that? My hillbilly mind says zero. Infinity has to have the same value.
     
  4. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I really don't understand what you mean by these copies? You mean other dimensions?

    I still don't see how it invalides my postulate, because the way it's worded, it's all inclusive of what's possible.

    AS for things turning out differently for oneself, but it didn't. Life happens the way it happens, and the 'all that's possible' accommodates it. AFAICT.
     
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  5. Patricio Da Silva

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    No, nature controls what's possible. I made no other comment to what's possible than that, other than, given infinity, what's possible is inevitable.
     
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    No, if you subtract a finite number from infinity, you will still have infinity.

    If you were able to destroy, completely, remove the atomic content, 5 stars from the infinite universe, the universe will still be infinite in the number of stars.
     
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    Ok,
     
  8. Patricio Da Silva

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    I heard that they are abandoning that model, and have moved on to something else?
     
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    False.

    There is no guarantee that anything possible is inevitable...even during infinity.

    For example, let's say the universe is infinite. But, let's also say that the universe is stuck in a time loop. Now, that loop may be however long you want to make it, but since it's a loop only the things that happen can ever happen. Nothing that doesn't happen during that loop can ever happen...even if it would be a possibility in that universe or in another infinite universe that was not stuck in a time loop.

    But let's say the universe is NOT stuck in a time loop...it just keeps going on and on and on. There is still no guarantee that everything that is possible will inevitably happen. Something that is possible could very well not EVER happen.
     
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    Put more simply... our everyday experience of life invalidates your premise. Because even if there were other universes or dimensions that made exact copies of you, you still would only be living this life. Therefore, to you, all that is possible did not happen.
     
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    If something is possible, doesnt it have to happen eventually, if provided infinite opportunity?

    Unless mathmatics breaks down at infinite (which it might...), then something that has any chance of happening is a guarantee within infinite opportunity.
     
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    The universe doesn't have an infinite amount of stars. There is a finite amount, we just don't know what it is.
     
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    Hadn't heard that, but it does make the thread irrelevant if there is no agreement on the universe, or any terms we use in defining it.
     
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    You can't divide by 0, but you can divide 0. 0/2=0
     
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    Nothing can't be divided.
     
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    I don't think so.

    The problem I see here is the OP's use of the word "inevitable". Per the definition of the word, something that is possible would have to be "incapable of being avoided or evaded". I see no reason for anything that is possible to be held to that condition.

    In my opinion, anything is capable of being avoided or evaded.
     
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    I think "all that is possible" is defined by the universe itself. It would include what we know and what we don't know about it.
     
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    Well, we don't really know. The big bang resulted in a finite amount of material and a finite amount of stars. This encompasses the observable universe, but who knows if there are infinite big bangs, just too far away to observe. As vast as the observable universe is, it's possible that the distances in it are actually infinitesimal compared to the full universe.
     
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    Post 90.

    Infinity doesn't behave like a number.
     
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    What force would be responsible for this avoidance or evasion?
     
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    It could be any force. After all, if all things are possible, then any force could be possible, as well.
     
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    All things would be possible within the realm of nature as it exists.

    Making proposals concerning how nature exists doesn't counter that.
     
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    The OP quote is about what IS possible.

    It's not about what is NOT possible.

    Maybe you can find more things that are not possible, but that affects the OP quote in NO WAY.
     
  25. Patricio Da Silva

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    I was assuming linear time.

    Let me ask you a question.

    How much time would you say would guarantee 3 dice being tossed to turn up all sixes?

    How much time?

    You might get unlucky, for a day.

    A month perhaps?

    How about a year? That enough to assure it?

    How about 10 years, is that enough to guarantee it?

    See, the thing is, though the number of dice is only 3, all numbers, compared to infinity, are infinitesimal.

    That is why all that is possible, given infinity, is inevitable.

    Well, any bigger number, compared to infinity, the odds are even better than allowing ten years for 3 dice to turn up all sixes.

    Infinitely better.

    Now, caveat, I'm no mathematician and I'm only looking at this through a layman's lens.

    No one can guarantee when, but when infinity is the time allotted, we can assure inevitability, it's only a matter of time.

    All that is required is that it is something that nature allows, i.e., 'possible'.
     
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