Any logic hounds out there? Is this a true statement?

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Infinity would not allow 1,000 monkeys with typewriters to INTENTIONALLY write a Shakespeare play, but why wouldn't it allow them to do so unintentionally? Hell, given infinity, why couldn't one of them type out Hamlet verbatim?
     
  2. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    I"m not clear on why it needs a static universe. 'All that is possible', that includes whatever and all that nature allows, i.e, a fluid universe, it includes the good and the bad and everything in between, if nature allows it, given infinity, it is possible.

    No?
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well, if it's possible, I'd say yes. I'm not clear on how a monkey could unintentionally write Hamlet.

    But, if you think it's possible, or rather, if that is true, then the answer is yes. I don't know the answer to that one.
     
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    Imposing the "Shakespeare-level play" rather than just randomly typed character sequences would eventually duplicate those in a Shakespeare play.
     
  5. yardmeat

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    I gotcha. I just don't see how it would be impossible. Hamlet has somewhere around 30,000 words. And English words average somewhere around 5 characters. So we are talking about somewhere around 150,000 characters. So if we had chimps randomly pounding buttons for ~150,000 characters, then the odds of one of those chimps pounding out Hamlet would be the same as the odds of any of the other chimps pounding out their specific string of characters. So, given infinity, I'd assume it would be inevitable.
     
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    yes to all.
     
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    More I think it about it, it is possible, given infinity.

    Thank you.
     
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    If monkeys were typing random letters, then it is possible. I was thinking the monkeys, would start doing monkey ****, get off the task, but this is in intellectual exercise, we are assuming the monkeys will stick to the task. Given that, you are right, they will, given infinity, eventually type hamlet, the Bible, and everything else. Might take 5 trillion years, but that's nothing compared to infinity.
     
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    Unfortunately the universe is not infinite.
     
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    Yeh I helped him figure it out for himself by letting him know webster is his best friend, not sure if it helped though, he probably still doesnt know the intended meaning even though it included all and is clearly stated in websters 1b as I suggested. LOL
     
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    Does not 'all that is possible' cover that?
     
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    In layman's terms yes.
     
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    1b uses the word OR. You'd know that if you had read it. "All of the above" is an option, but it certainly isn't required. Nor was 1b the only option. There's a reason you ran away and hid from my response.
     
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    How do you know this?
     
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    Are you referring to the levels of infinity that are defined in math - like Aleph Null, etc.?

    Or is there something else going on?
     
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    There are species going extinct right now. Nothing is going to change that.

    In a truly infinite universe (not just wrapped around on itself) there could be time and space for another gazooba bug to come into existence.

    Is that the kind of infinity that exists? I have no idea.
     
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    laughing at an ignorant post is not running away
    which is my point.
    any condition that is in a very unique situation is ultimately incapacitated its highly probable it will never occur again even considering infinity.
     
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    Ruling out some outcomes doesn't prevent the number of outcomes from being infinite.
     
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    You have to consider that even stupendously tiny fractions turn into certainty when multiplied by infinity.
     
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    I am, just because it goes on forever and ever does not mean one wont slip through the cracks. My example may have not been the best but I think the gist of it is clear.
     
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    By the way if I remember my probability and statistics correctly the probability of throw 20 dice in the air and having them all land on six is
    (1/6)^20 or about 2.7 *10^-11.
     
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    Which goes to my original point, that all numbers are infinitesimal compared to infinity.

    At least that is what appears logical to this layman's mind.
     
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    False. The main reason is because infinity never stops. Infinity never catches up with infinity, and possibilities are not finite in an infinite universe, even one infinite universe. Even if the size of the universe were infinite, possibilities would be quite restricted because every unique time/place has things happen in a particular way that can't be redone physically . If there are infinite universes, far more possibilities would happen, but there would still be many variances that prevents the possibilities from being fully used up. "Used up" never happens in an infinite situation.

    I think there was one hypothesis about an infinite number of variations of our universe happening so that everything that can happen does happen. But I don't recall the logic behind it being persuasive.
     
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    I doubt there is any difference in what is possible between infinite universes and an infinite universe. An infinite space can be divided into an infinite number of infinite subspaces. You can't "use up" infinity, as you point out.

    Also, I haven't heard this idea that any possibility would have to happen at a particular time or place. I don't see a justification for that being part of the issue.
     

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