So much for separation of Church and State

Your emotional zealous extremism is showing. The ruling does not say that public money can go to schools of religion. It says public money can go to regular schools that are run by religious institutions and might include a little religion instruction. Not the same thing in the least. This ruling (nor allowing prayer in schools for instance) does not violate the government's "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" clause, although public money support for a school with religious training exclusively might.. Much of your post is simply a diatribe against Christianity with nothing to do with the court ruling, and supports, despite your words, a supreme court that again can minority rule over the majority of the people as Democrats have enjoyed for many years.

 

takes Muslims the same effort as Christians, just wanting to do it, then the tax payers have to fund it

 

marxists? only the founding fathers and every conservative who weighs in on our "is the usa a democracy" threads.

 

Sure takes the same effort if you white or green no argument there

 

I don't understand why people are freaking out over this. The background is that Maine does not provide schools for children in some rural parts of their state. Instead, they provide a waiver/voucher for parents to send their kids to private schools, however, they often refused to allow the funding to go to the school of the parents' choice, which often involved sending their children to a secular school that was much further away. Why shouldn't the funding let the student to accredited the school of their choice? If Maine doesn't like it, they can open a public school for them.

 

"Christian Nationalists"

They're just parents sending their kids to their local school. Why do you have a problem with this?

 

The hyperbole.. but then again, kids already go to state sponsored universities and several local ISDs where that curriculum is already taught... Of course, no mention or comment on that part..

My thought is this. Government allowing parents to make a choice on how they spend their tax credit, or tuition dollars isn't government supporting or otherwise establishing a state religion. Something we need to actually remember is and always has been the fundamental mandate of the constitution.

 

This is a victory for the free excercise of religion.

There is no such thing as "separation of church and state".

What IS in the Constitution is the government shall not create a law "prohibiting the free excercise thereof (religion)"

Prohibiting people from attending religious based schools, using government tuition subsidies is forcing that person to reject his religion and that prohibits the free excercise of religion.

 

IMO faith schools should be abolished.
They are breeding grounds for bigotry and tribalism that becomes embedded in adulthood.
It doesn't allow children to see "the other" as normal or to share other ways of life.
If children from minority groups are expected to integrate, they never will if they never mix on a daily basis.
And faith is a private domestic affair, and not part of state concern. Once again the state is meddling in private issues.

 

I notice you're very quiet about Muslims. Could it be you're afraid they'll come after you?

 

Its their tax money and their children. Why shouldn't they get to choose a religious school? This is a big improvement over the current model forcing low income parents to send their children to a school assigned to them by big daddy government in the sky.

I am far from being a right winger and I am an atheist. I support school choice because I survived the liberal meat grinder known as LAUSD. This will take money from the poor performing schools and politically loyal unions. Competition is better for students.

 

Careful, your common sense is showing.

 

Schools are for learning math, reading, and writing, remember? Isn't that what you guys say when schools try to teach kids to accept others? And by extension, not magical sky fairies or friendly zombie saviors (jesus) either. That's for churches and cults.

 

Are you sure you even know what it is? You're probably thinking Luciferianism. But again, that shouldn't cut into school time.

 

if all we learned in school was reading, math, and writing.... we would be in serious trouble.

 

Just throwing back what conservatives say when liberal values are taught in school. Though I am unsure what other function you refer to. I wish they had been more career oriented. Fortunately they didn't waste time on religion.

 

Culture and history are important imo

 

Unsure about culture. Art history and music felt so useless, but I remember a lot of history was patriotic propaganda. Basic facts there, but highly sanitized to make the US look better. I just think realism is better than blind nationalism. Still, if it can be made interesting enough to engage the students, history can be a good topic to hone writing and reading.

 

You and many others seem to not understand the specifics involved here. This has not one thing to do with supporting Christian Schools. Rather, it is about providing tuition money to Maine residents that live in rural areas that do not have public schools. These people pay property taxes, and it is essentially their money anyway.

The ruling merely means these people can take that money and go to any accredited school that they wish. If there is an accredited Scientology school that is local, Muslim, Satanic, or Rastafarian ( or anything else you can fabricate out of thin air) or whatever religion, the family can use their tuition voucher as they see fit.

To call this much ado about nothing is an understatement.

 

The way I understand it is that the state was allowing public money to be used to help fund "private" schools, not public schools and the court ruled that they can't pick and choose which private schools get the money. A private school is a private school and you are actually guilty of discrimination by not allowing religious schools to receive a cut of that money set aside for private schools.

 

Exactly. The funding follows the student. The state has decided not to provide educational services for these students, but they are required to educate them by federal law. So the voucher is for students who live outside of public school districts to educate the children that the state has elected to not educate themselves. Any student who goes to these private schools that lives within a school district will not receive this funding. Not other funds go to the schools. The only confusing part is how these liberal justices came to the conclusion that they could discriminate against religious schools. This would be like saying families that qualify for welfare benefits cannot spend their benefits at grocery stores owned by religious individuals forcing them to drive much further away to a store that isn't run by religious individuals. It makes no sense to discriminate against them and is clearly not legal.

 

I’m glad it applies to Muslim schools etc. Vouchers should be able to be used at whatever school the parents choose. All schools teach things not everyone agrees with. This is a good thing. The less we monopolize education the better all education becomes.

 

That flew out the window when Trump nominations lied and turned R v W on its head. What's the point of the hearings if they can lie to get in and flip on a dime? None.

Anyone that believes that "Freedom of Religion" means anything other than the lip service from the most hateful, bigoted, self-righteous, judgmental and <censoring myself> people on the planet probably isn't walking around free anyway.

 

How is establishing all religions less un-Constitutional than establishing any particular one?