So much for separation of Church and State

It's not an insult to say that these commonly repeated false allegations must have come from far left outlets. Do you have a credible source who told you these lies? Also, I notice you didn't attempt validate your absurd statement.

 

This is the right decision and it's been long overdue. Finally we have a Supreme Court willing to defend Constitutionally guaranteed civil rights.

 

Apparently I can since I went to private schools, I won't be needing your help. Can I help you with OUR Constitution and the principal of Separation of Church and State?

 

It seems to me that IF a locality, municipality, or State offers money or vouchers for private schools, then everything, including "satanic schools", muslim schools, Buddhist schools, xtian schools and even rastafarian schools ought be eligible to be paid those funds/vouchers to educate their students, as per this ruling.

But let's keep it real, we're talking about rural Maine here, so I doubt there's enough demand there for anything but (maybe?) some private xtian schools. I am no fan of religion, though I am spiritual. My perspective is to take a scoop of Buddhism, add half a tablespoon of Hinduism, a LOT of quantum physics, and a couple of cups of mint chocolate chip ice cream mixed together in a blender and then (MAYBE!!) you're closer to reality than any other man-made religion, but I've never seen a school like that.

At issue is not religious public schools, those are illegal, so any concern about funding The First Baptist Satanic School of Rastafa as a public school are groundless, aside from the State and Federal Government's requirement to be neutral on those matters.

A school district is also not obligated to provide funds/vouchers unless they opt to through a republican process. Small "r", I'm not talking about the party, but rather representative democracy, where our elected school board members (or whatever) decided if such things will exist. Or not.

Personally, I despise religion, and would not support vouchers (or any equivalent), but then again I'm not a fan of free public schools either. If you're going to have kids, you bear the responsibility for their education. I also think teaching young children religion is brainwashing bordering on abuse, but I'm not going to win that argument.

 

Hyperbole much? All SCOTUS did was state that the State cannot discriminate against religion. IE: It cannot exclude religious schools just because they are religion. That is and always has been illegal per the Constitution. Furthermore it is even further protected under the Civil Rights Act.

The whole "Separation of Church and State" thing? It means that the State cannot make laws for or against religion. Which means it cannot promote religion, nor can it treat religion as 2nd class by specifically omitting it. If the State gives out money generally so that kids can attend a school of their choice then the State must leave that choice up to them and not exclude an accredited school that is chosen. And guess what...private Christian schools ARE accredited.

And I love how you talk about how this is breaking precedent...when your own article talks about a case in Montana that was decided against the State because they tried to do the exact same type of thing that was decided by SCOTUS in your article that you site.

In this country you have freedom OF religion. NOT freedom FROM religion. It has always been this way. And the only way to be free FROM religion is to get rid of religion entirely. Which in itself would be discriminatory so you can't do that either. You're just going to have to wait until if/when it dies out naturally.

But I get it. You hate religion. Particularly Christianity it appears. Thankfully, your irrational hatred of Christians will do you no good legally.

 

No, but don't Satanists have the same rights as anyone else? And what about Hindi?

 

IMO, any school receiving public money has to abide by public rules.
No discrimination based on GPA, sex, sexual orientation, religion, or any thing else that Christian schools use to discriminate against students.

Any school not abiding by State discriminatory laws should be banned from public monies.

EDIT: Private schools receiving public monies also need to pay taxes.

 

I would bet you would agree that this is discriminatory:

The tuition program is not neutral, he said, because “the state pays tuition for certain students at white populated schools — so long as the schools are not black. That is discrimination against blacks.”

The tuition program is not neutral, he said, because “the state pays tuition for certain students at black populated schools — so long as the schools are not white. That is discrimination against whites.”

If you want to know if something is discriminatory...then simply replace the group mentioned with another group. If it sounds discriminatory in one, then its discriminatory in the other.

Furthermore the Church and State clause is about not allowing the government to promote or discriminate against religion. It is not just about keeping religion out of government. Which is impossible unless you ban everyone that is religious from being able to run for a government office or from working for the government. And that in itself would be shot down by SCOTUS.

 

Sure if the community wants it. Again not too worried about that happening.

 

You say that faith is a private domestic affair, and not part of state concern.... yet you call for faith based schools (which are exclusively private) to be banned. Do you not see the contradiction here?

 

Good point 'Stang.

 

Separate school from state.

 

Why community?
I'm a taxpaying Satanist, where's my school? Why do I have to pay for these immoral Christians with all their unnatural clothing even in hot weather and no wild orgies? How are the youth supposed to learn proper pedophilia and overall sexual profligacy and perversion if it's not taught from an early age?

 

If that was actually taught, then you went to a piss poor school. When I was in school I learned about contributions made by blacks, and Chinese as well. And as a child my folks moved all over the country. So I went to a LOT of different schools. Both southern schools, northern schools, western schools and eastern schools. Not one school ever excluded black or Chinese contributions.

 

not betting on it

 

In our country all religions have the same rights of religious practice and expression. But the state, if it offers programs providing tuition money that can be applied to private schools, can't discriminate between religious and non religious private schools.

 

No one does. But many RW types yell about it.
But can't explain what about it they don't like. But make up something like it teaches whites to feel guilty, which is a lie, of course.

 

They are quite free to open up their own private schools and will be eligible to receive Maine vouchers now.

 

The State can't discriminate against a religion.
Nor should the religion discriminate against any type of student.
It works both ways.

Want public money, follow all State guidelines on discrimination or any other rules public schools must follow.

 

Open up your own school. :shrug: That's what Christians have done. Nothing is stopping you from doing so. And when you do I will support the ruling SCOTUS made here just as much as I am now. Because the SCOTUS ruling applies to ALL "religions". Both real religions and those that claim to be religions but were really made up just to keep real religions out of public sight.

 

I agree public educators would not follow the lead of efficiency set by private institutions. They have no interest in efficiency or higher quality education.

It’s basically another real world example of the Iron Law of Bureaucracy.

A link to more on the Iron Law.

https://www.jerrypournelle.com/reports/jerryp/iron.html

 

depends on the religious school, but many are not big on science

 

You can start a school, no one stopping you. I just don't think you are going to have anyone who wants to attend. Good luck and gods speed!

 

Most public schools are not big on science.

 

You seem to think that is how things work. It doesn't. Private schools, businesses etc etc fall under different rules because....they're private. And guess what....they can ALL still receive public funds. Why? Because they pay taxes just like you do.