Pennsylvania moms react to education dept suggesting kids may use 'ne, ve, ze/zie and xe' pronouns

And wow .. look how great modern First World Western society is as a result!

No social decay, no isolation, no breakdown of the family/community. Fantastic.

 

What if a child wants to say that he is a fire engine or a unicorn?

 

It conveys children being allowed and enabled to indulge every passing immature whim.

 

So allowing neutral pronouns will get children killed?

Is that really your stance?

 

Go back in time 50 years a pop and take any happiness, health, crime and peace measure you like. I think you'll find that things weren't so golden in the past for the average citizen.

 

No, they don't. That's the narcissist's position.

All identity is a negotiation. We can imagine ourselves a certain thing, but the world is going to regard us as it sees fit to regard us. We have to work within that reality, or be broken by it.

 

You can't be seeing this so simplistically, Melbs.

 

Children have pretty active imaginations and they pretend to be all kind of things. Now if they want to have a horn sewn on their head of tattoo red ink all over their body that would be an issue.

 

Quite the opposite. I'm including quantifiable measures, rather than just how you feel it is.

 

Who are you to tell them that they cannot?

 

Minors cannot consent
I am no one — the law and medical evaluation are however.

Care to answer the question?

 

No, you're working almost entirely on feels.

Instead of measuring social collapse, you're measuring the hurt feelings of yesteryear's various prejudices etc. I don't think anyone with an ounce of integrity is going to suggest that, prejudices notwithstanding, this:



is better than this:

 

How is it different? What about the kid who demands to be called Professor Doctor Dinosaur, King of the Pleistocene?

 

I am not particularly conservative and I really do not like this pronoun phase shift thing at all. It has nothing to do with what the people identify with. It is mucking up the basics of the english language and the terms are guttural sounding.

There is actually sort of a conceptually interesting debate going on in the sign language community about how to sign words, adding new words to the standard sign language cannon, and determining what the signs for them will be. These new pronouns for the hearing world issue kind of has similarities to me in the nature of that debate in the deaf world as I understand it to be. I am not deaf, so I am an outsider looking in on it.

 

Not at all. Just going by the statistics and facts, not anecdotes and feels.

But if you must...

 

As a psychologist I've dealt with some gender dysphoria. Personally, it's not that hard to adapt. But a lot of adults are very rigid in their thinking and get triggered easily by being asked to make adjustments. The Democrat steamrolling of this legislation in the US seems to be the wrong way to go about it. The world is watching and learning.

Interesting analogy with the deaf people's sign language.

 

That isn’t a pronoun.

 

Where can I find that right you speak of? Is it next to the right where I can say anything I want?

We all know this is about feelings, feelings no one on the left cares about when they call people racists, Nazis, bigots, uneducated, science deniers, etc. The left has more names designed to offend yet want their feelings protected at all costs.

 

Even "They/Them" at least uses words whose usage is already ingrained in the language but this Xe vs. Ze stuff is expecting way too much.

That said, I assume you have also had experience with patients who suffer other types of dysphoria like anorexia and bulimia. If so, don't you see a potential issue putting a 14 year old biological boy changing in the same locker room with a 13 year old girl who already has body image issues? Adults I really don't care that much about as most of our activities in intimate spaces are avoidable or manageable compared to young kids who are forced to take gym and forced to dress out into gym clothes for it. I ask this as someone whose sister came pretty close to dying from anorexia. It was hard enough for her with other girls in the locker room. I cannot imagine how much worse it would have been for her to have to share one with someone she viewed as a boy.

 

Once again, you're referring to things other than overall quality of life and social health. Black Americans were on a steep trajectory towards the middle and upper classes, prior to the turn of the century. That pissed off the white supremacists royally, hence the 21st and the first pic supplied. There are more ways than one to exercise racism and discrimination .. and the current model is arguably worse.

 

Oh .. so there are RULES to this pronoun business? None of the 80 odd are 'made up' like mine?

Who made the rules? Why are they qualified to do so? What are the limits?

You know this is utter BS, and that if one person can choose Xe-flex, someone else can choose Professor Doctor Dinosaur, King of the Pleistocene.

 

The gender assigned at birth has never to my knowledge been wrong on a scientific footing.

 

Rightly so. Adults are hardwired to steer and protect the young.

An adult who doesn't exhibit automatic 'bristling' behaviour in response to this, should be regarded as suspect.

 

If you look at the statistics everything is broadly improved decade by decade, despite recent bumps. The reason you see things in decline is that you've become a Conservative, albeit not a very self-aware one. You want society to conform to a model that worked for you.

I agree with some of the things that you say, but you've taken the whole argument to an extreme conservative ideology within itself.

 

It makes perfect sense. The right wing is all about controlling other people.

That is why they object if someone has their own identify.