FBI recovered 11 sets of classified documents in Trump search: report

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  1. omni

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    If everyone in the world has seen it, you might have a point, but even then the government may want to prevent anyone else who not yet born to not see it.

    Has Trump published these documents online somewhere?
     
  2. dairyair

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    I can explain it, but I can't make you understand.

    This was not a ruse. Sheesh.
     
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    Correct, you know what you know, but that does not make it factual.
     
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    They did not. They cooperated, which is different from compliance. But the evidence, and the boxes retrieved from the search warrant state unequivocably that Trump did not fully comply. Now, the next question is, what's next in the investigation and where will it go from there?
     
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    I take it, you did not read the law blog.

    the problem you have is that a violation of law of a specific statute is not a one and one thing. Depending on the reasons why Trump did this may lead the investigators to look at crominal statutes that I and the lawyer have mentioned.

    you just cannot say "fake news" and then expect it to be true. Kinda like being an ostrich, placing your head in the ground, and pretending danger will not approach.
     
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    Overitall Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Enjoy your evening. Hopefully you'll find someone that likes playing the game of parsing words with you.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    This was not about the dispute docs.................Sheesh. If that has to be explained to you you will never understand. This was clearly a ruse.
     
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    Which is far different from non-cooperation we need a search warrant. 15 boxes of information they could have taken back in June, being stored in a locked room as requested by the NARA is complying.
     
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    In your example, actually, they can. A sword does not have to be in one-piece Blues. They can be disassembled you know. And yes, they can look in the kitchen drawer for that item along with anywhere else on the property. They may even inspect the ground in the backyard to see if the earth has been disturbed recently, and a whole bunch of other methods. The search warrant provides the address of where the search will take place, the item or items for the search, the reason for the search, such as the 4 in sword was used in a felony. That address is the specific place of where they search, that's it. And that is the constitutional standard.

    And that is exactly what they did, per the search warrant, provided to the public. Second, they can look anywhere and everywhere that is reasonable for the agents to search in which Trump stays. Since Trump and Melania are married, it includes both of their rooms and all living spaces, storage spaces, etc, Bear in mind, that they coordinated the search with the Secret Service, and the Secret Service, the law enforcement agency, probably told them this is where Trump frequents and not frequent in he stays there.

    Again, the search warrant was valid, obtained in a valid manner, meets the Constitutional guidelines, and the boxes retrieved were the information that was listed in the search warrant.
     
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    A former president is still a private citizen. What do you think he is, the Duke of Canterbury? He is just as much as a private citizen as the CEO of ExxonMobile or any ordinary John Q Taxpayer.
     
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    Never made the argument that he did not cooperate, but he did not comply with all the information being asked. He did it partially.
     
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    Fake News. PDR is not a criminal statute no matter how many fantasies you indulge yourself in.
     
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    The best way to do that is to forget Trump, don't believe in what he says, and let him pay for his own damn legal bills, not the RNC.

    That being said, when TSSCI, TS, and confidential documents were retrieved, listed in the property receipt shows it is not dairies. Nothing in the items listed show diaries.

    The link below is the actual search warrant and property receipt released by the court.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22131380-trump-warrant-unsealed
     
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    And violations of the PRA may lead to criminal statutes in Title 18, which is something you are not understanding willingly.
     
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    It may be BS to you, but it is the law, the proper procedure, under EO 13526.
     
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    That is what Trump essentially said when he said, "standing order to take all documents to Mar A Lago and there are now declassified." That is the essence of what Trump and his supporters are claiming.

    As for low-level employees, they were told what to do and told that the documents were declassified, if they knew at all. If they didn't know, they were simply told to move those boxes from point A to point B. YOu are not going to be able to blame low level employees for this fiasco that Trump created himself and only himself.
     
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    Fake News. Congress did not write the PRA with criminal sanctions. Despite your pretense to great knowledge are you still confused on which is the Lawmaking branch in our Liberal Constitutional Democracy?

    But knock yourself out chasing rabbits. There will be no criminal charges filed for PRA for the reason you have repeatedly been informed of. That was simply a pretense the lying FBI/AG/DOJ told the Epstein judge so they could get a warrant to toss the place for something that they could fashion into felony charges related to J6. Not unlike all the lies they told to illegally spy on Trump.

    These lying thugs claimed they had to search Melania's drawers for nuclear secrets? I would ask you if you actually buy that, but you have already rather unconvincingly assured me that you swallowed that hook line and sinker.

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    Nov 8. That's when the restoration of America begins! The opening promise is Liz Cheney's complete rejection by the Great State of Wyoming!
     
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    huh?
     
  19. Polydectes

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    well yeah I can like posts you make I can even agree with you on things I just probably won't ever agree with anybody on everything.

    It's not really important how functioning in classified documents we're talking about the highest ranking executive he doesn't need to check in with anybody is the authority. HMFIC of the entire executive branch so therefore everything class of $500 is something he has unilateral authority over.
    well that's the beauty about law it's written down and publicly available just tell me what section of the CFR says that the president has to notify his subordinates and I'll go look at it.
    Seems like it's going to be very difficult to prove it's classified

    But it takes for the president to declassify something since he has unilateral authority over that consuming that it's classified under the executive branch is he just needed to talk to someone who didn't have clearance about the subject matter.

    You may be an attorney I don't know I've listened to five or six other attorneys that disagree with you and I know for back to that they are attorneys.
    I have no idea why you have to say this kind of crap. Just because I don't agree with you and you feel to make any kind of coaching argument doesn't mean I'm sexually attracted to anybody that's being discussed here.

    Make a better argument than you wouldn't have to rely on this kind of nonsense.
    I'm not sure what Hillary was accused of but I do know that she was never president so she wouldn't have had the ability to declassified documents unilaterally like the president does.

    You need to talk about Bill Clinton since he was the president.
     
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    But you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube
    If I have no idea why you are asking a question I won't answer it.
     
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    No it doesn't. If you disagree that's your business.
     
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    A current executive isn't under the authority of a previous one.
     
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    They are claiming doubt of the far fetched accusations.

    The burden of proof is always on the accuser.
    Subordinates do not have to know what their superiors are doing.
     
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    If you are the premier official than it already is.
     
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    Probably since he revealed classified information to Lavrov in the White House.
    That was clearly wrong. Reckless. Not illegal but wrong.
    That didn’t defend his apologists from rushing to his defense.
     
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