Judge grants Trump's request for special master, halts review of seized documents

Yeah, they became officially stolen when they weren't returned in January.... before that, it was just "late and hurried packing"

 

Exactly, and since Trump didn't pack them up he never knew what all these boxes contained which is why he wanted to keep all of them like forever and ever.

 

Mementos (And guaranteed future income) from a failed Presidency....

Ooops... my bad... seems the doofus is back to planted evidence today....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-revives-claims-fbi-115435824.html

My T**** Lie-A-Day calendar needs a refill...

 

Actually, it does have a lot to do with Donald Trump and any other politician who wants to exert totalitarianism into the US Constitution. The easiest way is to create the personhood of the President, which means, under no uncertain terms, President for life. That is why I used 1/6, not for the merits or lack thereof on the incident, but to state that if the personhood of the President were tto be created, it would make such events easier and quasi-legal. The "anything the President does is legal" goes against the foundation of what this country was founded on that all persons, no matter how high in office, are tethered and subject to the law, generally. Nixon tried to use this and was utterly rejected by the populace. Today, not so much. Boy has times changed over 5 decades.

As for the regulation, it is quite clear under 26 USC 6103 that Congress can ask for any return to be examined. That same regulation also stipulates that Congress or whoever is handling tax returns do not disclose any information specifically about the taxes to unauthorized persons. But Trump got caught in his own rhetoric, which is what I think the original intent was. For Trump, the rules don't apply to him no matter what, but for all others, they do. He has said, "if you don't have anything to hide, you shouldn't plead the fifth" but Trump has done that constantly when cornered on his own rhetoric. So, he lashes out. And as such, this is why Constitutional Personhood of the office of the Presidency is problematic, extremely problematic.

The main problem with Presidential elections is money and time. It takes a lot of money to successfully run a Presidential Campaign and get nominated by the party. You have to have a clear, consistent message, and Trump did that in 2016, better than any other person who ran on the GOP ticket, and that is where time comes in. Half just wanted to run to get their name in the paper, but some were very serious, such as Ted Cruz and John Kasich. And I imagine the 2024 GOP primaries will be crowded too, but not as many as 2016. So, to solve this, one of three options should be in play here. First, shorten the length of time for candidates to declare and run for the nomination. Currently, it is unofficially two years and officially just over a year. The second option is to take private money away from the race and everyone has the same amount of money to use to run the campaign. Or third, the GOP party does an "interview" and selection process at the leadership level before the candidates run and are endorsed by the Party. Of the three options, only the last option has the Supreme Court not ruled on in prior cases. Each has its risk and each has its strengths. But they are the only realistic solutions out there instead of the Constitutional Personhood of the Office of the President concept.

But no matter how you look at it, the voting populace needs to be more discerning with their selection process. If that was the case, both parties would wield good candidates and then it would be a debate over policy and not personality.

 

I think Cannon is way out of her league here with the DOJ lawyers.

Of course the FBI had to have planted the nuke documents because that is exactly what the FBI is said to have found even though Trump also claimed that there are no nuke weapon documents. just fake news.

 

STOP THE COVER UP OF THE FRAME-UP: Trump’s Reason for Having Russiagate Docs Makes Sense. Here’s Why.

'Before leaving office, former President Donald Trump declassified Russiagate documents to prevent a cover-up by the Biden administration.'



'Trump was afraid the incoming Biden administration would “shred,” bury, or destroy evidence that exposed the Deep State plot against him, so before leaving office, he declassified all the documents connected to Crossfire Hurricane—the Obama investigation into the bogus allegations of Russian collusion.'

Pretexts aside, 'the FBI was really after documents related to the Russian collusion hoax.' And that's why I'm not convinced that charges will result, they simply were covering the tracks left from their previous lawless behavior.

To the shock of all, no nuclear secrets were found in Melania's underwear drawer.

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'The Obama administration fabricated the Russian collusion narrative, and Joe Biden was bringing many Obama administration alumni back with him.'

The Biden administration is engaged in a cover up, but, they assure us that it is 'the other guys' who are the fascists.

 

No where.

 

Loose Cannon is going to be way out of her league with the 11th Circuit court, as she refuses to recognize that neither Fat Don or a Special Master has jurisdiction over Classified US documents.. On to the appeal.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/politics/mar-a-lago-search-special-master/index.html

 

and you and everyone else has no clue whether there were actually any nuclear documents there or not. So Trump could be telling the truth

Any WAPO reporting on this is garbage

 

They musta heard you....(chuckle)


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Lawyers from DOJ's Nat'l Security Division have been trickling onto the 11th Circuit docket in the fight over what happens next with the docs seized from Mar-a-Lago -- Sophia Brill and Julie Edelstein made appearances in district court, appellate specialist Jeffrey Smith is new

 

I imagine the formal appeal will be submitted to the docket by COB tomorrow.. ZERO chance the DOJ didn't see this coming with the original ruling and have the appeal basically ready to roll... Leaving enough space to throw in more Loose Cannon nonsense from today's ruling...

About the only 2 reasonable things from today is that the SM has been instructed to go through and resolve the 100 classified documents first (Best Guess Final Score - Classified 100 - T**** 0) and that the FBI can fully participate in the security/damage review with the DNI without fear of losing any future criminal case...

 

I looked for anything on a Jeffrey M Smith that dealt with the appellate courts and found this from April 2020.

"UAit~E1 StatE!§ Foreign lntellisanei Svl'Yeillsne• Court of Review FISCR 20-01 APR 2 2 2020 IN THE UNITED STATES LeeAnn Flynn Hall, Clerk of Cdurt

FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE COURT OF REVIEW IN RE OPINIONS & ORDERS BY THE FISC ADDRESSING BULK COLLECTION OF DATA UNDER THE FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SUVEILLANCE ACT ON PETITION FOR REVIEW OF THE UNITED STATES FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE COURT MISC. 13-08

(Collyer, Judge) RESPONSE BRIEF FOR THE UNITED STATES REGARDING JURISDICTION JOHN C. DEMERS Assistant Attorney General for National Security J. BRADFORD WIEGMANN MELISSA MacTOUGH Deputy Assistant Attorneys General

JEFFREY M. SMITH
Appellate Counsel National Security
Division U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Ave,
NW Room 6500 Washington, DC 20530
Telephone: (202) 532-0220

cont:
https://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites...garding Jurisdiction April 22 2020 200422.pdf

 

I think Geoffrey, the Toys-R-Us Giraffe, could argue this appeal.... That you have a DOJ appeal specialist seems like overkill to me, but if you have a deep bench, you might as well use it..

 

Will Judge Cannon join the ranks of all the Trump lawyers who sold out to him?

Whoa...Cannon explicitly states in her conclusion that Trump is getting "special treatment" having been president.

@ 9:45 Neal Kaytal, Andrew Weismann and Bradley Moss let loose on Judge Cannon.

 

Which is why we now need to call her Loose Cannon....

I watched that segment last night.. Moss was hysterical, when he said he'd use this stupid decision to get any documents he wants from any government agency, since NOTHING marked classified is actually classified just because the stupid government says so...

I was laughing, but he's also 100% right...

 

Fake News. Declassification doesn't magically remove stamps from previously stamped documents. The Court was right to appoint an impartial judge to review what all the lawless thugs of the FBI scooped up in their raid of a political opponent, that they had no right to take.

House Republican: Time to "decentralize" the FBI

'The FBI needs to be decentralized and Republicans need to look at the agency “top to bottom” when they hold the majority in Congress.'

'“If you look at the [Hillary] Clinton email scandal, the Crossfire Hurricane spying on the presidential campaign, the corrupt FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] applications, the missing Woods files, the Bruce Ohr, the Steele dossier, it goes on and on, the latest one being the raid on [former President Donald] Trump’s Florida home being a project of the Washington field office.”

“There are all sorts of indications that we’ve got to give a hard look at the FBI, but the biggest problem … is that from Robert Mueller’s administration of the FBI, the emphasis has been to make it into an intelligence organization and to favor centralized decision making. I think it’s turned it into a political weapon, and it’s got to stop.”

Indeed


Stop the lawless spies/thugs.

 

You are 100% correct (in stating the obvious) ... "declassification doesn't magically remove stamps from previously stamped documents."

Declassification ADDS a declassification stamp...

SNIP
A declassification marking should look like an official stamp that indicates the name and office of the person who authorized the declassification action. A copy of a declassified document from the National Archives and Records Administration should include a marking that includes a project number starting with “NND” or “NW.”
ENDSNIP

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/faqs#:~:text=The document should not be,who authorized the declassification action.

I haven't seen a report that any of these stolen documents have any of these... have you??

 

YOU WON'T SEE ANY CHARGES AGAINST TRUMP FOR MISHANDLING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT HAS INHERENT POWER OVER CLASSIFICATION AS COMMANDER IN CHIEF. ANY RULES MANDATING PARTICULAR ACTIONS OR PROCESS WOULD REQUIRE THE CONSENT OF 38 STATE LEGISLATURES.

 

BLAH

BLAH

BLAH

NONE OF THE PROPOSED CHARGES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.

BUT THANKS FOR PLAYING!

 

Dan Bishop, the Trumper.

I bet when Trump is on the nose he'll turn the knife.

 

EXACTLY, FOR THE REASONS I EXPLAINED. YOU'RE WELCOME!

 

I ALREADY KNEW THAT.... SO THANKS FOR NOTHING.

I SHOULD CLARIFY.... NONE OF THE PROPOSED CHARGES WILL BE BECAUSE OF THE CLASSIFICATION STATUS OF THE STOLEN DOCUMENTS.

 

It doesn't really pertain to the charges, but I read a lot ot EO 13526, the law for classification/ declassification, and could not see where anyone has the unfettered ability to declassify, only classify.
Can you show where the President can do that going by EO 13526?

 

A president may revoke, modify or make exceptions to any executive order, at any time.

'The order allows the president to determine the system of designating classified information, and he is the ultimate authority over U.S. intelligence agencies, which gather and classify the information.'

The Supreme Court confirmed as much in its 1988 ruling in Department of Navy v. Egan.

"The president's authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the president and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant," the court said.

 

Had Judge Cannon or any of the 11 Circuit Judges attended a political event at Mar a Largo or socialized/golfed with Trump?
Anyone hear anything?

"Canon 5 of the Code of Conduct for U.S. Judges specifies that a judge should not attend or purchase a ticket for a dinner or other event sponsored by a political organization or candidate".