The Truth about Immigration

The immigration laws of the COUNTRY of Texas which existed before it became part of the USA are irrelevant.

 

No. Many of the people coming in are within the definition of legal. There have been about 2 million people that have interacted with border patrol in the last year. Another million have come through without interacting (gotaways). So let's call it an even 3 million people come in illegally and 1 million are deported (2021 number). Do you honestly think that all of the remaining 2 million fit within the definition of "Legal"?

 

Aguy that opens a shoe repair store starts a corporation. Every business own er does... for tax purposes. But the corporations involved with most Indian casinos are owned and operated by members of the tribe that operate the casino. Its ALL Indian. I'll give you three examples in San Diego that my wife handled the taxes for... Viejo, Sycuan, and Barona. All profits went to the tribe and were distributed to members of the tribe. Hunting and fishing? LOL... You thinkum that red man shoot um buffalo and feed squaw? I got news for you, there are lots of Harvard Business School grads in these tribes.

 

"Does not do" ....whatever. Things can change dear.

 

I never said Venezuelan issues were due to immigration- but to terrible politics. Having been there, worked and done business there- I know exactly what the causes were, and it was dictatorial domination by government using a socialist ideology and framework to run their economy. Stupidity is inherent with that ideology, and the government there was blind-stupid. They had no meaningful opposition party then, and still do not.

I never said it had anything to do with preserving any culture- although I've said that cultures who prey on others are unacceptable. Bad governments often drive immigration, people trying to escape the environment such governments create. Bad government is gaining ground in the USA. Where you gonna go? Where will you migrate too when everything falls apart? Or- will you do something about bad government now?

Worst thing you can do to people is make them dependent. As the government sees no problem with that, and certainly the democrats as well fail to understand the difference between a hand-up and a hand-out, they create dependency- in exchange for the control it brings, and tell themselves it makes them righteous. Not true; it makes them abusive. Dependency creates weak people who won't fight back, so you can understand what kind of government supports dependency. Takes courage to stay free. If you lack it, you won't be because the world is full of people who resent your freedom.

The people setting our houses on fire today and doing it literally as well as politically are the democrats; the liberals, the socialists. The people empowering those who set fires and do crimes are the same. The people refusing to take action to restore order and punish those criminals are the same. And it's choice, not accident. However, the people- ARE NOT without power. Not here- and not anywhere. The price may be high, but any government that violates it's duty to the people can be changed. We once changed ourselves from British-ruled subjects to free citizens of our own country. If you lack the courage to fight for your own freedom- you don't deserve freedom, and you won't have it. And the person who sets fire to my house won't either.

We have a nation full of complainers, blamers, whiners and losers- but few with the courage to try and solve problems, or even support solving problems. If those who do try fail- at least they can say they tried. The rest deserve the misery they will bring on themselves. Up to you to decide whether you give or take from your country and fellow man- in the real sense, not the distortion of liberalism, socialism, and democrat dependency schemes.

JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you- Ask what you can do for your country." I listened. He was a democrat. We used to have some very fine ones, long ago. If they were alive today, I think they would die of shame. I'm in favor of every man thriving, being strong. But the responsibility for that falls on each of us independently, and the acceptance of that seems to be what separates parties today.

 

If they weren't being let in by your corpse in the first place you wouldn't have needed to copy and paste so much.

 

I've seen some false equivalencies in my time, but that one takes the proverbial cake. Seriously?

I see 'we're hiring' signs all over San Diego County, where I live, mostly inductries that hire immigrants. Trump's hardline immigration policy created a shortage, and now we need to bring more immigrants in. We need to relax the entry requirements and get these jobs filled.

You do know they are illegal, right?

Specious logic.

There is a labor shortage, and the jobs need to be filled, and bringing in more immigrants is a good idea. In my city, the cheapest labor jobs are getting $16 an hour, $17-18 in some places.

 

who said illegal immigration is the same as slavery? That’s just your made up BS. The equivalency is in the logic, not the act buddy, try to keep up, I really shouldn’t have to point basic English comprehension.

Hey buddy, stop killing Americans with fentanyl and turning what’s left of the population into homeless addicts filling your streets while turning your army of black thugs to raid and pillage while handing out condoms and abortions on demand to make sure all the dead piled up don’t get replaced and you might find you have all the people you need to fill jobs.

How dare you and your party murder our people and then use their vacancies as a reason to continue to flout immigration law to “fill jobs”. What asinine BS

 

The point was there was no verification system at all until 1873.

 

Again... irrelevant. Nothing to do with 2022.

 

That may be. The benefit of the casinos or any other business on the reservation is to bring jobs to that reservation, however, not all Indian Tribes own the casinos. Any profits that may be a derivative payment to the Tribe are not necessarily passed to all the members of the Trible. Anyone who receives a distribution from the Tribe on the profits will be issued a 1099-MISC with an amount in box 3. What they will get is either a W2 or the new form 1099-NEC, nonemployee compensation, all for their services. Indians are subject to federal income tax, generally. And yes, people who work in casinos can make good money, even in Las Vegas of all places.

Some Indian lands are rich with fish and game, and they rely on the hunting of fish and game for their livelihood. This is especially true in the NW area, like Oregon, Washington State, North Dakota, etc. Even the Choctaw Indian Reservation has deer leases that are very popular with hunters. Unlike most homeowners and landowners of today, unless that land has been passed down for generations, the Indian Reservations own the water and gaming rights within their reservation.

 

You have to understand the history of immigration before you understand the current laws of immigration.

 

I would suggest you learn something for once instead of blabbering out complete utter nonsense.

 

The difference between illegal and legal immigration is the law.

A huge percentage of people who eventually become legal immigrants were at some point here illegally.

We get full of illegal immigrants, then the law gets changed to make them legal. Just ask Ronald Reagan how that works.

 

You were inferring it when you wrote your post linking about the "big picture," Venezuela and how they lost their country, and the US letting refugees in because it will "destroy our nation from within" crap, yes, you were trying to blame, in part, Venezuelan downfall. Venezuelan downfall was the two political parties, not one or the other. And Venezuelan socialism, political socialism, came about when Chavez was elected President by the people and he then consolidated power despite what the Venezuelan Constitution said. This isn't about Democrats or Republicans, it is about our two-party system in which both parties want all the power and never to compromise. And with the statements that you made, you are part of the problem, not the solution. But its different from economic socialism like Social Security, Medicare, public roads, public universities, public libraries, etc. Anything public is pretty much socialist from a pure economics perspective. We have not reached political socialism in this country, but we may if the MEGA crowd gets their way. And they are not the Democrats, are they?

Again, you are speaking in gross overgeneralizations here with immigration with no experience. Most immigrants do not want handouts. They don't want to be in the spotlight. They just want to be left alone, here, and work for whatever they can, period. If you want to look at the dependency of the government, most red states are very dependent on the government to help the poor, unless you are Bret Farve. The poeple who are dependent are US Citizens, not immigrants. Immigrants are more likely to become entrepreneurs, more likely to take education seriously instead of political gamesmanship, and they are most likely to keep dreaming their dream after everybody said no to them. Not at with some Americans who think they are entitled. These are not democrats who think this. YOu may want to think again about who the political group is.

 

Posse Comitas Act is pretty much set in stone and you would have to get rid of that for your idea to work. The military leaders would be very reluctant as well. So, if you thnk the US militiary will come to your aid, they won't.

 

The "MEGA" crowd? I assume you are trying to insult the MAGA crowd- the people who support America being a great nation. That of course is common to those who dislike anyone with pride in themselves, because nobody is giving it to themm and they are entitled- because the government told them so. Make America Great Again. Any jackass who is offended by that concept may be a legal citizen, but lacks the qualities to contribute anything of value to the nation.

Obviously you were personal friends with Chavez, right? Ever been to Venezuela? Talked with, worked with, lived with the people or the conditions?
Or are you another armchair expert, who read some other armchair experts opinion and assumed you know?

You don't have a two party system when one side is powerful enough to crush the other, and unscrupulous enough to do it. That is precisely what was true in Venezuela when I was there.
It wasn't the fight between parties, it was the ignorance and arrogance of one side with totalitarian power and values- and no interest in the welfare of the nation it ruled.

To keep the people placated, the government had established price controls. Everything you bought included a marking of the maximum price it could be sold for, even a can of Coke.
The controlled prices kept people content, but were such that the companies manufacturing those products couldn't make a profit. So- the government subsidized the manufacturing of allowing a free market. By doing that- they had a control over the people which they would not have in a free market.

They paid those subsidies with oil money- after they nationalized their oil industry and threw out the international companies who had developed it. Made oil production a government-owned enterprise- but managed it stupidly. Then the world oil market crashed, and the flow of money to subsidize their industries dried up. So- they began to borrow money from international banks. They did that until they had used up all available credit; and the world bank said no more; until you go to a free-market economy.

Having no choice about going free market, they did have choices on how to do it. They decided to gradually remove price controls in steps. However, they wanted to avoid angering the people, so they did things like removing the price controls on gasoline- but not on taxi and bus fares, in a nation where that kind of transportation was heavily relied on. They did the same thing in many areas, including groceries, which resulted in costs raising sporadically in the supply chain, but profitability locked out by controls of retail prices- causing many businesses to fail. Grocery store shelves were soon empty. Places where I went to buy supplies for the project I managed wouldn't sell us things that they had in stock, because prices were still under controls- and the goods would be worth much more when the controls lifted. The national economy was quickly paralyzed, and the people revolted. The government didn't adjust policy- instead, it declared martial law and send in soldiers; I just happened to drop into it at that precise moment. I was there to manage the refit and conversion of a 100 ft yacht, owned by a man in the US. Funding was sent by wire to a bank there- but the bank realized the exchange rates were going nuts and they could profit by delaying paying out those transactions, so they sat on them. That meant we couldn't get money to pay the bills or the labor out of the bank holding it. The owner wound up losing his boat and everything on it. There was no way to do anything legally either, that system was paralyzed and corrupted as well.

That's not two-party anything. Second parties existed but had no power or influence, and speaking out was dangerous. Prices went up, supplies went down, and jobs dried up. We had people coming into the shipyard- offering to work for fifty cents a day, but we couldn't get materials or money, so we couldn't hire anyone. Those originally hired I paid as much as I could out of my pocket- which I never got back from the American owner of the vessel, who wound up going broke over the loss, couldn't even get his transferred funds back. The boatyard seized his boat for non-payment. His insurance didn't cover that kind of event. All this took place very quickly.

At that time, the Venezuelan currency, the Bolivar, was worth $0.34 USD. Today, it's worth $0.0000012457737. Literally, it takes more weight in paper money to buy a roll of toilet paper than the roll of toilet paper weighs. This has created a migration issue that didn't exist yet when I was there, because the driving elements of that crisis have never been removed.

Today- Venezuela is in the midst of an unprecedented social and humanitarian collapse—the result of bad economic policies and political conflict—that has led to food insecurity, the second largest migration crisis in the world, and regional instability. The international community has responded with pressure against the regime coupled with support for elements of the opposition, but to date it has been unsuccessful in bringing about a positive change.

Today, there are more "political parties" in Venezuela than you can count- but none of them are large enough to have impact. They are like horseflies to the dictators, not real opposition. They don't count as "parties'. .

Now you can blow all that off because you read something somewhere, but I was physically present and saw all this take place- and you are reading that first-hand account right here and now.

Bad government is bad because they literally lack the skill or desire to be good government- but they often have the power to insure they can crush the resistance, the opposition to the damage they always do. Venezuela had thrived before with two parties. The people who killed that destroyed the opposition, to the point it had no power, and have continued to do so. Sounds just like the objectives of today's democrats.

You have probably hears that power corrupts- and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is precisely the case in Venezuela. Believe it.

 

How about instead we get ridiculously tough on the BUISNESSES THAT HIRE THEM.

Im fine with better border security. As long as its HUMANE treatrment they receive when they get here. At that point a determination should be made regarding their status, and asylum requests.

But until we get serious about removing the incentives for them to come here ( work ) then everything else is just fluff.

 

Think about this another way. Businesses need help, and in general labor situations, immigrants are usually good workers. But if they aren't available, they won't be hired or employed.... and the place that should insure they aren't available is the BORDER.

Blaming the businesses for not policing the border is kind of like blaming the banks for having money, because that's why bank robbers exist. If the banks had no money, there would be no bank robbers- right?

We also blame big business for buying influence in Washington- but the only reason that takes place is that influence in for sale in the first place, by the very people who should be insuring it's not.

And I've never really seen any documentation of inhumane treatment at the border- except from the traffickers and coyotes.

The Border Patrol can only do it's job within the policies and limitations of the authority it's granted, the parameters and funding of government. Start with those things, because they alone determine how things will be done. Harry Truman had a sign on his desk that said "The buck stops here". Biden has a trash can.

There in lies the problem. The people whose job is to regulate and make things work blame everything on somebody else instead of coming up with an effective plan and putting it in place.
Kind of like you borrowing money, then telling the bank you don't know how to pay them so it's not your problem and they should collect somewhere else.

 

The MEGA crowd does not support the US Constitution or democracy. They want an authoritarian, RW, theocracy. That is why they want national abortion bans with no exceptions, they want to get rid of all legal immigration as well as illegal immigration, especially from countries like Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Thailand, China, etc. Anything and everything nonwhite and why the call for the 1924 Immigration Act to be reintroduced and passed. They want the courts to dictate their wishes and no one else. None of this is democracy and that is the absolute power that corrupts absolutely. But if you really think they are for
Democracy and America, then you are even more clueless than I take you for. When it comes to the United States, we have a two party system and both parties are equally powerful, both have deep financial pockets, and corporate sponsor PAC money. They are two peas in the same pod for the most part. Traditional Republicans believe in the rule of law but not MEGA crowds. Their rule of law is more based on apologetic anarchy with the anything-goes type of mentality.

Have I been to Venezuela? No, Have I worked with Venezuelans? Yes, including a person who came here as an asylee in the early 2000s after Chavez took over Venezuela. But I do know what happened to Venezuela and why it happened. It is not something you are stating at all and not in so simple terms. One of our biggest decisions in 2002 when Chavez took over Venezuela was to continue the mission support in that region of the country because the local churches we were helping supported Chavez and they told us that they did while explaining their decision. But, as Christians, we decided to continue our support until Chavez and Maduro made that illegal. The person we helped in the early 2000s was a member of their legislature and owned land. Now, he runs a restaurant here in the DFW area. So a lot of what I learned is from him and his family back in the day. As for the two political parties, both adopted the Petroleumonomics platform. As long as the flow of money from oil at high prices continued, especially during the 1973 oil embargo on the US, Venezuela flourished. But prices dropped in the 1990s, and their income from such policies also dropped. This in turn led to price controls which further exasperated the economic crisis, started by a lack of regulations with banking liberalization from the mid-1980s. But in essence, both political parties held the same position nationally and differed locally on certain priorities. But both were very powerful parties, much like here. Furthermore, the oil industry was nationalized under the first Perez term in 1975 when the Venezuelan economy was booming and remained ever since. Beginning in the 1980s onward, the government was deeply in debt to the IMF, the IMF wanted repayment, and it began to destabilize the economy with its demands. A little different than what you described, but all 100% verified and accurate.

Now, with the help, again, of the IMF, the US, and other adversaries of the regime, pressuing the regime to change is bringing the collapse even further. And if that succeeds, those same allies who got rid of Maduro will now expect Venezuela to repay the debt immediately, mostly through its oil. And companies like Exxon, BP, and others are just chopping at the bit to get to Venezuela's oil fields for their own profits, all to make sure the local people do not have a say. The locals are extremely skeptical of any "help" we offer because they know we want our pound of "flesh and money" for helping them. So, they must decide. Die by the locals or die by the foreigner's hand? So why should they choose? Ain't international politics grand?

I do keep up with the FX exchange rates and know that the Venezuelan currency is deplorable. But so are the Turkish Lira until the government redid its money structure, the Columbian Peso, the Vietnamese Dong, and a whole bunch of others. But the exchange rate or lack thereof is no indication of how bad the country is. Vietnam is our ally now, more because we will help them against China, despite being a "communist country." They welcome foreigners, especially Americans, Canadians, and Australians now.

 

Yes, the same logic to justify slavery. That is what you said. You can holler grammar till the gremlins bite your butt, that is what you wrote.

yes, the 'act' is definitely relevant, or why would you have referred to it? There is nothing bad about logic, per se, UNLESS you associating it with slavery. But, since that is a FALSE EQUIVALENCY, YOUR POINT IS BOGUS.

There is no weaseling out of this one, BUDDY.

The only asinine BS is yours. Let's look at the facts, which, apparently, you are oblivious to:

The crime rate in the undocumented immigrant population is less than in the American Citizen population.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

Relative to undocumented immigrants, US-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.

So, when the orange jeezus said only 'some' were decent people, he lied to you.

 

That's a myth. A majority of Americans want immigrants to stand in line, wait their turn, and stop coming over our borders illegally. They do not want unlimited immigration to the likes of what we are seeing now. A majority of the Americans know that a continued large surge of unchecked illegal immigration hurts and depresses wages for lower income workers. Why do you want to hurt the lower income American worker?

 

There is a massive difference between a leak of illegals that we allow to become legal and a flood of millions upon millions just walking across the border with no checks to see if they are convicted murderers or rapists into your back yard.

 

The same crap over and over again.

Throughout history people like you have claimed that waves of immigrants were criminals. It's tired.

 

A majority of Americans say immigrants mostly fill jobs U.S. citizens do not want