Germany's armed forces must become the best-equipped military force in Europe, says Scholz | DW News

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    That bot can't even get basic facts straight as what he is calling the Danzig Massacre is actually called Bloody Sunday (1939 in Danzig) and happened after the German invasion was started. It most certainly was not a justification for the Nazi invasion because it happened after the invasion was begun.

    That poster seems intent on rewriting history in order to so e how excuse the mass killing of civilians by Russian forces. Which is why I say he is a Russian propagandists account.
     
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    Historian Louis Kilzer said essentially the same thing:

    "Hitler didn't want a world war, and had no stomach for fighting England..." (1)

    After Hitler refused to let his Generals wipe out the British and French at Dunkirk, he said:

    "The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to shed," Hitler said. "Our two people belong together racially and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim, even if our generals can't grasp it." (Kilzer, p.213) (1)

    According to another historian, Peter Padfield, Hitler sent Hess to England to meet with Churchill with a detailed peace plan with the Western Allies to return all conquered territories in exchange for a free hand in fighting the Communists but Churchill was more interested in furthering his political career, luring the US into destroying Germany and retaining Britain's own conquests / Empire(2).




    (1) "Hitler didn't want world war"
    http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/hitlernowar.html

    EXCERPT " Hitler believed the future of Western civilization depended on the cooperation of Germany and her Aryan cousins: England and the United States. His territorial demands were limited to conquering Communist Russia, which he regarded as a proxy for Jewish world ambitions. He was determined to avoid fighting a war on two fronts." CONTINUED


    (2) "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html
     
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    I would think they are already best equipped......either them or Brits.
     
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    Well, they probably got their information directly from their Kremlin, so they just don't know any better nor sought out the truth.
     
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    That means Hitler was either very dishonest or very crazy. To be fair, though, this kind of racism was common at the time and the US was no less affected by it. I'm just glad that our leaders knew better than to let it guide national policy to such a degree.
     
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    They have quality equipment, but they seem to have issues with volume.
     
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    40% of the German equipment isn't even in working order and 30 years of cuts to the defense budget means they have no spare parts to fix that equipment. Compounding this fact is most of their equipment is 40 years old or older and old equipment requires a lot more repairs than new equipment. The German military is in sorry shape and is extremely top heavy and inefficient.
     
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    I don't know......This chart begins from the 1960s and sure seems like they have increased spending, especially since 2015 when they agreed to meet the 2% goal by 2025.

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    Spending may have gone up, but that doesn't mean it has had the desired outcomes.
     
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    "Poland wants war with Germany and Germany will not be able to avoid it even if she wants to." (Polish Marshal Rydz-Smigly as reported in the Daily Mail, August 6th, 1939) *



    Before you smear others as misinformed "bots" you should get your own facts straight.

    Poles were persecuting and massacring ethnic Germans long before Germany was forced to invade Poland to save ethnic Germans from murdering Polish "soldiers" & mobs.

    Germany had appealed to the League of Nations dozens of times to stop the Polish mass murder of ethnic Germans since the 1920s to no effect:

    Please note:

    EXCERPT " Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the German invasion of Poland, something that was meant by the Germans to be a local solution to a local problem. Germany had already done the "right thing" by protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens of times. The League of Nations did nothing, yet the problem had to be solved." CONTINUED (1)




    (1) "GERMANS: ABUSED MINORITY!"
    https://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
     
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    :laughing: The ruZZians have really cranked up the disinformation machine on Germany, haven't they? Energy prices, nukes, German unification being "illegitimate," Americans allegedly having killed millions of German P.O.W.s, and now this rot about Poland..
     
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    Finland, Sweden, Ukraine, South Korea and Japan need to build up to defend themselves
     
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    Japan especially does need to get back in the game, so to speak. They and Germany both have been pretty relaxed post-WWII.
     
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    Not West-Germany, it had the largest Army Europe.
    Germany has to get back on its Army feet
     
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    Well, we will see. The death of Britain could be summed up in the names of the last four chancellors.

    Sajid Javid
    Rishi Sunak
    Nadhim Zahawi
    Kwasi Kwarteng


    Good luck and good night.
     
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    South Korea is pretty well armed already.
     
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    For China and Russia?
     
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    There have been many Bloody Sundays: Danzig, Ireland, and Alabama.
     
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    This thread seems to be about how wise it would be to support another strong German military based on Germany's alleged history of aggression rather than Russian propaganda which, I'm sure, seeps into Western news sources.

    However, a closer and more objective study reveals this alleged history of German aggression to be expected Allied propaganda.

    Since the victors write the history and churn out the melodramatic propaganda movies, it is to be expected that a certain number of people would be duped by both into believeing the most outrageous and profitable lies.

    Concerning Eisenhower's true Death Camps which, unlike the German Camps, the Red Cross was prohibited from inspecting, no one has claimed that "millions" were killed.
    Because the victors determine which documents are destroyed and which are which make the front page of the NY Times, you're unlikely to find the testimony of former death camp guard, Martin Brech (1) anywhere in US MSM.

    It wasn't until 1989 that James Baque's book "Other Losses"(2) revealed Eisenhower's genocidal hatred of the starving German men women and children:

    “God, I hate the Germans...”
    Dwight D. Eisenhower
    https://quotefancy.com/quote/796826/Dwight-D-Eisenhower-God-I-hate-the-Germans





    (1) "In 'Eisenhower’s Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers"
    http://www.whale.to/b/in_eisenhowers.html


    (2) “Buried Alive Screaming In The Night: German POW Survivors Describe Eisenhower’s Extermination Camps After WWII Had Ended”

    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018...ers-extermination-camps-after-wwii-had-ended/

    EXCERPTS “This is one of a series of published and planned articles detailing aspects of the Western Allies deliberate intention to murder approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of unnecessary starvation, exposure, and illness.

    “The Western Allies deliberately murdered approximately 1 million disarmed German POWs by means of starvation, exposure, and illness. This Allied atrocity was first publicly exposed in 1989 in the book Other Losses by James Bacque. Bacque estimates in Other Losses that the victims undoubtedly number over 790,000, almost certainly over 900,000, and quite likely over a million. The prisoners’ deaths were knowingly caused by army officers who had sufficient resources to keep these prisoners alive. Relief organizations such as the Red Cross that attempted to help prisoners in the American camps were refused permission by the army. “CONTINUED
     
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    No nation (aside from India) is going to be "pretty well armed" in comparison to China or Russia (or the U.S.)
     
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    Grau, stop bothering me with this pseudohistory. It's bullshit from some Canadian kook:

    Other Losses is a 1989 book by Canadian writer James Bacque, which makes the claim that U.S. General Dwight D. Eisenhower intentionally caused the deaths by starvation or exposure of around a million German prisoners of war held in Western internment camps after the Second World War. Other Losses charges that hundreds of thousands of German prisoners that had fled the Eastern front were designated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" in order to avoid recognition under the Geneva Convention (1929), for the purpose of carrying out their deaths through disease or slow starvation. Other Losses cites documents in the U.S. National Archives and interviews with people who stated they witnessed the events. The book claims that a "method of genocide" was present in the banning of Red Cross inspectors, the returning of food aid, soldier ration policy, and policy regarding shelter building.

    Stephen Ambrose, a historian enlisted by the Eisenhower Center for American Studies in 1990 in efforts to preserve Eisenhower's legacy and counteract criticisms of his presidency, and seven other American historians examined the book soon after its publication and concluded that it was inaccurate and pseudohistory. Other historians, including the former senior historian of the United States Army Center of Military History, Colonel Ernest F. Fisher, who was involved in the 1945 investigations into the allegations of misconduct by U.S. troops in Germany and who wrote the book's foreword, argue that the claims are accurate.​

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses
     
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    Why are you whining about Germans killed after World War Two...again?
     
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    Just because you lack objectivity and critical thinking abilities doesn't mean that Eisenhower's genocidal agenda isn't true.

    Who would know better what happened than Col. Fisher who participated in the investigation and Martin Brech(1) who was a translator and guard?

    Both of these men are far more credible than Stephen Ambrose, a lowly pimp paid to peddle Allied propaganda, aka "counteract criticisms" and a gaggle of dilettante "historians" who had nothing to do with this grotesque act of genocide.

    Try thinking for yourself instead believing anything and everything American propagandists pours into your head.




    (1) "In 'Eisenhower's Death Camps': A U.S. Prison Guard Remembers"

    Martin Brech

    http://www.mourningtheancient.com/brech.htm

    EXCERPT “ Even the French complained that the rapes, looting and drunken destructiveness on the part of our[American] troops was excessive. In Le Havre, we'd been given booklets warning us that the German soldiers had maintained a high standard of behavior with French civilians who were peaceful, and that we should do the same. In this we failed miserably.” CONTINUED
     
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    I don't see you thinking for yourself. I just see you latching onto this pseudohistory.

    The timing of this is also suspect, given that Russia loves to push this sort of crap in their quest to divide western allies and they are focused very much on Germany right now. So, that makes me wonder why you are all of a sudden so determined to post this irrelevant nonsense here and now.
     
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    Here's a copy of Eisenhower's Starvation Order (1) in addition to eyewitnesses and other more credible sources I've provided.

    Meanwhile, your only source has been a paid pimp for Eisenhower's Library [Stephen Ambrose] whose job is to deify one of history's most overrated war criminals.

    Re:
    It looks like you've been at this forum long enough to see that my attempts to vindicate the German people in the face of demonizing Allied propaganda and holocaustian mythology are anything but "all of a sudden"

    The fact that you have been entirely unable to refute anything that I have written and supported is a clear indication that Eisenhower's genocide is far from "nonsense".


    (1) "EISENHOWER’S STARVATION ORDER"
    https://ww2truth.com/2021/10/02/eisenhowers-starvation-order/


    EXCERPT "Copies of the orders were discovered recently in several villages near the Rhine … The message [which Bacque reproduces] reads in part: “… under no circumstances may food supplies be assembled among the local inhabitants in order to deliver them to the prisoners of war. Those who violate this command and nevertheless try to circumvent this blockade to allow something to come to the prisoners place themselves in danger of being shot….” CONTINUED
     

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