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I most frequently hear this evasion when someone is unable to refute hard facts that debunk the Allied propaganda myth that: "Germany started WW 2 and Hitler wanted to conquer the world."

You are aware, I assume, that every country had some form of propaganda ministry and America's propaganda ministry was the OWI (Office of War Information) which worked closely with Hollywood, today's purveyor of melodramatic WW 2 propaganda.

Even today, nothing matches Hollywood for churning out one dimensional, melodramatic WW 2 propaganda fodder that far too many gullible and professionally deceived rubes mistake as factual.

Every country generates its mythical version of the truth but perhaps no other country except possibly the former USSR has so grossly distorted such a grisly era as a "Good War" in which even the the most lowly coward is deified a member of "The Greatest Generation".

Why is there such a desperate need to make super heroes out of soldiers who by any objective measure were clearly inferior to those evil, bumbling & wooden headed Germans(1) of fictitious Hollywood lore?

When the facts are unlikely to appeal to the clueless, popcorn munching movie masses, it's time to dust off the propaganda playbook mastered by the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium and no lie is more appealing to those who know nothing about either war or accurate history than "Vicious & Evil Germany started WW 2."

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So, if I have "badly butchered the sequence of events", how do you explain the facts as spelled out in excerpts (2) and (3), below?

Please note that the Polish military, Polish civilians and Soviet NDVK Jews had been seizing German homes, farms & industry as well as massacring innocent ethnic Germans long before 1939 when Germany found that appealing to international law was fruitless.

Thanks,



(1)“Their Wehrmacht Was Better Than Our Army”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...ur-army/0b2cfe73-68f4-4bc3-a62d-7626f6382dbd/

EXCERPT ”On a man for man basis, German ground soldiers consistently inflicted casualties at about a 50 percent higher rate than they incurred from the opposing British and American troops under all circumstances (emphasis in original). This was true when they were attacking and when they were defending, when they had a local numerical superiority and when, as was usually the case, they were outnumbered, when they had air superiority and when they did not, when they won and when they lost." CONTINUED


(2) "THE POLISH ATROCITIES AGAINST THE GERMAN MINORITY IN POLAND"
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NH...es.Against.German.Minority.in.Poland.1940.pdf
EXCERPT "These unsuccessful discussions showed that Poland had no intentions of carrying on Marshal Pilsudski's clearly defined policy of peace and harmony with his German neighbour. The specific desire of the Führer for a definite settlement of the Danzig question, and that of a territorial link between East Prussia and the Reich were repeatedly placed before the Polish Government in the friendliest manner." CONTINUED


(3) "The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland"
http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland
EXCERPT
The 1939 Danzig Massacres

EXCERPT "In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic
Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who
were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany.

Many apparently expected to take possession of German farms and businesses.
An estimated 58,000 German civilians lost their lives in the massacres
carried out prior to the 1939 invasion.

Poles had been merrily slaughtering anything or anybody German since at
least as early as April 1939, with smaller incidents stretching back to
the close of WW I -- you haven't been told that by the Mass Media, or
the fact that these atrocities were one of the main causes for the German invasion of Poland.

Germany had protesting in writing to the League of Nations literally dozens of times with no results." CONTINUED

 

Ok... I guess the Chief of intelligence is not part of the government.

 

Careful. You have committed a thought crime.

 

Germany is getting better.

 

Thoughts aren't censored here. Only in dictatorships like Russia, where it's illegal to say "war."

 

It was a negotiated agreement to end it. Western Ukraine chize the lessor of two bad situations and decided that being with Poland was better than the Bolsheviks.

 

Thank heavens thoughts are not censored......yet.

I believe it was Voltaire who said something like:

"To know who rules you look to who you may not criticize".

It's an old quote and attributed to several authors.

 

People generally find what they're looking to reinforce their bias.

I traveled primarily by hitch - hiking and via bicycle when I lived, studied and worked in what was then W. Germany and, at the time I was fluent in enough dialects so that I was very rarely identifiable as anything but German.

What gave such a negative impression of the German people?

Do you really think that they are any more warlike than anyone else?

 

I never seen nor heard of any documentation that the Polish government let Russian NKVD troops into deep North Eastern Poland in 1939 to kill Germans. That did not happen until 1946-1947. There was Operation Vistula which was at Staliin’s demand for Polish Bolsshevyks to commit ethnic cleansing by moving Ukrainians from historic Ukrainian lands in what post WWII became part of Poland. The Bolsheviks kicked out, sent to Siberia, and or murdered Germans in the Danzig lands. Polish term was “ Niemski Zemlee”German Lands. Ukrainians from the South Eastern part of what became Poland where “ resettled in the “Niemski ZEMLEE. “. That was after WWII not 1939.

Stalin and Russia have always been experts at pitting one ethnic group against another.

 

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I think that the operative words in the excerpt I cited are: "independent Bolshevik units..." which would include independent NKVD Bolshevik units.


"EXCERPT
The 1939 Danzig Massacres

EXCERPT "In the months leading up to the German invasion the Polish Army and independent Bolshevik units had been slaughtering German nationals in the Danzig corridor. Mass killings of thousands of civilian ethnic
Germans (Volksdeutsche) by both civilian and Russian NDVK Jews, who
were confident that Poland would quickly defeat Germany." CONTINUED (1)


My point in bringing up the multiple massacres of ethnic Germans in the Danzig region which was taken from Germany by the Treaty of Versailles was to show that after over 20 appeals to International Organizations (i.e. the League of Nations) in just one year absolutely nothing was done to stop the persecutions and massacres of ethnic Germans that suddenly found themselves in Poland.

What else was Germany to do in that situation after all peaceful attempts to stop the massacres had failed?

Thanks,


(1) "The 1939 Danzig Massacres of ethnic Germans which caused Hitler to invade Poland"
http://fr.soc.histoire.narkive.com/...-germans-which-caused-hitler-to-invade-poland

 

I'm sure that you've heard of the Russo - Finnish War (1939 - 1940) in which the Finns' appeals for Western Aid against overwhelming Soviet odds went completely ignored by the "freedom loving" Western Allies.

Both these Westward invasions by the Soviets of Poland and Finland support historians whose research shows that Stalin was preparing to attack Western Europe regardless of what Germany did.
The reason for Germany's significant, early military successes was because Stalin's forces were in offensive positions.(1)

Another act of aggression by the Allies that remains heavily repressed by today's WW 2 propagandists was the joint, 1941 British - Soviet invasion of Iran to seize its oil.(2)

All of these dirty, little power grabs, hidden war plans, and clandestine provocations simply confirm that much of what the general public "knows" about the "Good War" is no different from the propaganda blindly consumed by the "other side".

Thanks,



(1) "Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe:…"
https://www.counter-currents.com/201...onquer-europe/

EXCERPT "In Icebreaker, Suvorov details the deployment of Soviet forces in June 1941, describing just how Stalin amassed vast numbers of troops and stores of weapons along the European frontier, not to defend the Soviet homeland but in preparation for a westward attack and decisive battles on enemy territory.

Thus, when German forces struck, the bulk of Red ground and air forces were concentrated along the Soviet western borders facing contiguous European countries, especially the German Reich and Romania, in final readiness for an assault on Europe.

In his second book on the origins of the war, “M Day” (for “Mobilization Day”), Suvorov details how, between late 1939 and the summer of 1941, Stalin methodically and systematically built up the best armed, most powerful military force in the world — actually the world’s first superpower — for his planned conquest of Europe. Suvorov explains how Stalin’s drastic conversion of the country’s economy for war actually made war inevitable."CONTINUED


"Time to Face the Truth About World War II"
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-margolis/time-to-face-the-truth-ab_b_282379.html

EXCERPT "the 1941 joint Soviet-British invasion of Iran to grab its oil, an act every bit as illegal and reprehensible as the Soviet-German joint invasion of Poland.

Soviet propaganda later tried to cover up Stalin’s plan to attack Europe, claiming his forces were outmoded and unprepared, and generals incompetent. According to the party line, Stalin only signed the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact to buy time to prepare for war. This view still prevails today." CONTINUED

 

The truth is that the so called Bolshevik Units should be called “ independent Polish Bolshevik Units”. The NKVD is a Russian terrorist cabal is not Polish created by Stalin for Russian. The NKVD committed genocide for Russia. The NKVD murdered 5-6 million Ukraine for the benefit of Russians.

 

I realize that the NKVD was a Russian / Soviet creation but, apparently there was also a Polish "branch" of that organization(1)

Watching too many simple minded, WW 2 propaganda movies has left the more gullible members of our society with the impression that Germany's military cannot be trusted with anything more lethal than slingshots.

That's why I asked:
"What else was Germany to do in that situation after all peaceful attempts to stop the massacres [of ethnic Germans in Poland] had failed?"

What are your thoughts on that dilemma?


(1) "Polish Operation of the NKVD"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD

 

I agree that Polish Bolshevik’s existed in Poland but I never heard of NKVD troops operating openly in Poland before the Germans were pushed out. Yes the NKVD did come in with the invading Red Army.

Too bad my dad is not still living he knew one hell of a lot about pre war Poland. Dad was with a Ukrainian Nationalist group starting as a teen and they were planning a revolt against Poland prior to 1939. Ukrainian Nationalists fought against Germans and Russians. My dad was first a political prisoner of the Germans and then sent to a forced labor camp when Germans ran short of forced labor workers.

 

I'm sorry to hear about your Dad. We lose so much when honest participants of history pass away and take their knowledge and experiences with them.

It has been my experience that individuals who have seen the most and endured the worst that war has to offer are frequently the ones who are the most reluctant to recount the horrors they endured.

Even though I'm sure that it varies from person to person but I'm a little skeptical of the loud, self professed "war hero" or "survivor" who is completely comfortable talking calmly, comfortably and at great length about their spectacular accomplishments, escapes or incredible ordeals.

At the risk of sounding like one of those loud, self professed "war heroes", I stopped having nightmares about S.E. Asia (Laos) years ago when I refused to talk about it.

The mother of a neighborhood girl I used to see was a "White Russian". She would show up at our house in tears some mornings and only talk to my Mom who was a good listener about some traumatizing nightmare she just had.
As it turned out, she had been captured by almost every major army but because she spoke 7 languages, she was valued as a translator and survived. Because she was of the aristocracy, she didn't even know how to boil water. She claimed that the Germans treated her best and that the German officers used to even wash her clothes.

I'm overwhelmingly grateful to have spent so much time patiently listening to WW 2 etc survivors & Veterans when I lived, studied and worked in what was then W. Germany 50 years ago when people like your Dad were still alive. I'm equally grateful to have been fluent in German at the time which made German Veterans more willing to be candid.

Fortunately, I've racked up enough not so macabre stories from Stonehenge to Babylon to entertain pretty, young nurses at the various hospitals I patronize so that my pills show up on time.
Yes, there are, indeed, benefits to being a "Scratch n' Dent" old Vet with a misspent youth.

Thanks,

 

Thanks, my dad talked about the politics of the late 1930s and during WWII. He talked about history. He did not talk much at all about what he went through. My grandfather ( dad ‘s father) and my mom ‘s father were sent to Siberia. My moms dad survived. He dad did talk about life in the refugee camp that was run by Americans where he was part of camp security. My mom who is almost 100 has just in these two years started talking about WWII. She also survived forced labor camps. My mom observed the aftermath of Jews from her village being slaughtered. My mom whose job was to take care of the dairy herd saw the bodies the next morning since the Germans did not even bother burying the Jews,, There were people in the ditch that my mom knew.The Germans did the killing at the way back of my grandfathers farm in the tree line near the Prypyat River . The other side of the river was Belarus. She started talking about that again since Russia invaded. She has recently told me stories she kept to herself before now. I should have been writing them down.

 

I appreciate your comments on the war. Keep them coming.

 

Thank you for your kind words.

By "the war", I assume you mean WW 2.

While I am fascinated by history and have studied several eras, it seems that the more you learn, the more you realize how little you really know.

Based on what little I know about WW 2, I feel that there is perhaps more deliberate disinformation about that conflict than any other.

It's as if Americans really believe that WW 2 was actually a "Good War" fought by what is claimed to be the "Greatest Generation" and no one can change their minds because Hollywood's master propagandists has had about 8 decades to brainwash gullible rubes into believing that they were not only uniquely "Good" but that their soldiers were the "Greatest",
Self adulation doesn't get any more blatant than that and to suggest to anyone weaned on one dimensional, melodramatic fodder like "The Longest Day", "Saving Private Ryan", "Schindler's List" and "Judgement at Nuremberg," the possibility that the Americans were every bit as vicious as anyone else frequently elicits a torrent of Hollywood grown outrage and emotionally charged insults.

It's as if some people don't realize that Americans are as propagandized as anyone else claiming to only fight "good wars"

Thanks again,

 

I suspect it is a mental device that many rely on to stomach the atrocity of warfare. It is killing on a massive scale, after all, and most don't want to think of it that way and certainly would like to think that their side is right and the other is wrong. Tribalism. It's in our DNA.

 

Thank you, I think that you're right.

I was going to mention the "Tribalism" that goes into the need to dehumanize and / or demonize members of the "other" side and I'm glad you brought it up.

After all, it's far more palatable to sacrifice naive young lives fighting "Evil" than it is fighting other naive young lives of a different nationality / "tribe".

For example:

 

Indeed. I read Icebreaker years ago, I think I will read Suvorov's "Chief Culprit" (2013) it is even more compelling with more sources based on reviews.

My interpretation of both wars has always been based on the great power politics of the era. Germany was challenging the status quo and had to be stopped as Churchill put it "whatever the cost may be."

 

You don't know how refreshing it is to hear someone with such an accurate grasp of not only WW 2's true causes but the simple causes of so many wars.
Those with the biggest Empires who control everything from the planet's natural resources (incl. gold) to the global information sources do not surrender either willingly no matter how much pain they must inflict to maintain control for themselves.

Even though over 80% of Americans opposed another "good" war on Germany after Pearl Harbor, Churchill, FDR and their fellow war profiteers and Empire builders in the UK and the US were so good at deception that they still managed to hoodwink a gullible American public into believing that Hitler wanted to conquer the world when Germany's stated, real and most obvious fight was against ruthless and expansionist Communism.

While I have only read bits and pieces of Suvorov's works, the fact that he has had the most access to old KGB files is responsible for his growing popularity among other historians. It is now well known that one of the reasons for Germany's early military successes is the fact that Stalin's military forces were in offensive positions(1) getting ready to sweep westward in about 1941 through Germany, France, the Netherlands and the rest of Western Europe and, possibly, beyond.

Thanks for mentioning Suvorov's "Chief Culprit". I can understand why the Holocaust Industry and the stale and fraudulent old "Good War" myth makers dread the surfacing of facts illuminated and supported by these newly released Soviet documents.
It's unlikely that the truths revealed by Suvorov's findings will be readily accepted by professionally deceived victims of Hollywood - Holocaust Industry propagandists who will bitterly resent the debunking of their favorite fairy tales.

Many Thanks,



(1) "Did Stalin Plan to Attack Hitler in 1941? The Historiographical Controversy Surrounding the Origins of the Nazi-Soviet War"
http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/art...urrounding-the-origins-of-the-nazi-soviet-war

EXCERPT " He [Victor Suvorov] cites a lack of defensive preparations, such as the construction of fortified lines and anti-tank ditches, and notes their deployment in hidden areas (such as woods) as evidence of the intention of the soviet leadership to conceal an imminent offensive operation.

…Stalin’s desire to attack Nazi Germany in 1941 with an analysis of soviet foreign policy during the 1930s. They contend that Stalin believed in the concept of world revolution, and that the Second World War provided Stalin an opportunity to extend soviet influence throughout Europe. Mel'tiukhov, for instance, asserts that, “the USSR’s principal aim was to expand the “front of socialism” across as much territory as possible.”CONTINUED

 

Hello,

I just wanted to clarify something I wrote in my previous Post.

When I wrote:

"You don't know how refreshing it is to hear someone with such an accurate grasp of not only WW 2's true causes but the simple causes of so many wars."

I didn't mean to imply that the true causes of Europe's WW 2 and the several previous European wars were "simple" because they were not. As you know there were frequently a complex series of alliances, contradictory treaties and lingering hostilities that fueled subsequent carnage.

I only meant that WW 2's causes were simple in that they were a direct result of the draconian Treaty of Versailles, French plunder of Germany's industrialized Ruhr, the post WW 1 Allied starvation blockade (1), the seizure of German colonies and eastern German territories (Prussia etc) and demands for impossible amounts of financial reparations.

Finally, influential members of the Jewish community such as Theodore N. Kaufman, the author of "Germany Must Perish" even called for the forced sterilization of all Germans which in a review by "Time" magazine was praised as a "sensational idea".(2)

Thanks,




(1) "The Allied Attempt to Starve Germany in 1919"
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/starvation1919.html

EXCERPT "Even after an armistice ended World War I, the rapacious victors continued a devastating blockade of Germany.

If one word could describe Germany during the immediate aftermath of World War I, it would be "starvation." And yet, while some 900,000 German men, women and children were starving to death, the American and British public knew nothing about the reason for this holocaust, deliberately caused by the continuation of a wartime British naval blockade.

Britain's post-war naval blockade of food to Germany in 1919 matched the then current blockade of news by the American and British press. Even today, only a few non-Germans know the truth, and American and British historians, for the most part, have participated in the coverup of this most appalling crime."CONTINUED


(2) "Germany Must Perish!"
https://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml

EXCERPT "Kaufman's fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman's plan a "sensational idea." CONTINUED

 

To quote the historian Alan Bullock "Hitler didn't want a general war. What he wanted no doubt was to crush Poland. After that he thought the West isn't going to start up a war again."

 

You see, Hitler saved Germans from genocide too. Something very common with the message, which has been told by Russian bots here about Russian invasion in Ukraine...