THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. Gilos

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    If Iran sells Russia 2000 drones nothing will happen for as long as there is a Democratic president. but it will greatly advance Iran in the Republican **** list and they usually get what they want eventually, I wouldn't be surprised the Iranian regime is blind to this, it is blind to what goes on in their streets as well.
     
  2. Reality

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    Again: No one, not even your allies, recognize the referenda. What's more: You don't even control those territories you've claimed, and in fact are being pushed out of those territories while you bleed manpower and war material.
     
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    Iran, compared to the United States, is the pinnacle of justice and democracy.
    For example, in Iran, the risk of being in prison is much lower than in the United States. To understand this, just look at the number of prisoners in Iran and the United States.
    Also in Iran, the risk of being shot by the police is much lower than in the United States.
    But you write some nonsense about "terrible Iran" and "terrible Russia". Are you not funny yourself?
     
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    CIVILIAN training they paid for on their own dime. They were not being trained by the ****ing air force and they had to hijack the planes they flew they were not issued them and ammunition by the same jackass who thought it would be a great idea to call devout muslims god a coward.
    Its odd: You've used similar holy war rhetoric. Guess your conscripts don't particularly agree.
     
  5. Reality

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    Think we'll keep the Nato Ivan, thanks though. There is never a call for a fair fight, and Putin has proven he wants to **** around and find out so I say we jump him just as soon as he steps across the line into NATO protected lands. I'd say we sign the Ukies up too, then the fight can happen on their turf which is already pretty ****ed up.

    Yourself and your fellow russian propagandists of course.
     
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    I think you're not realizing that their corruption and penchant for straight up lying about their capabilities did not simply spawn itself from the aether. It was there the entire time.
    They used to have much greater control over news in and out, and as time wore on and technology advanced that capability eroded causing what appeared to be a sad decline. It seems most likely from the evidence on display that their capabilities were always over inflated in most respects and outright lies in others.
    I know that can be difficult for an old cold warrior to accept, but it seems our imagination was the true foe.
     
  7. Jack Hays

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    Russia lacks the capabilities for #2 and #3.
     
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    Analysis: Why is Russia using 'kamikaze' drones in Ukraine? • FRANCE 24 English


    Hopefully Israel gets involved with supply air defense capabilities to Ukraine.
     
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  9. Iranian Monitor

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    Russia has enormous (almost unrivaled) latent capabilities due its natural resources, human capital, and industrial and technological base. No matter how poorly they have managed them, when push comes to shove, they can start doing things a lot better. The Russians, as one minor example, can start a large rearmament drive to churn out missiles, drones, weapons platforms much better under sanctions (which can help spur domestic production) than before. To do all this, however, they will need to better prepare the public to go on a war footing.
     
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    They need a functioning political system to foster a healthy economy and maintain public support. People don't generally like war, though, so I wouldn't count on either regime being successful long-term under the present circumstances. Already, we're seeing a major threat to the Iranian regime and something similar may develop in Russia as Putin sends more young men to their deaths for no legitimate reason.
     
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    No, they cannot. Russia's ability to produce modern weapons systems from domestic sources approaches zero.
     
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  13. Reality

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    Tell me where they produce microchips.
     
  14. Iranian Monitor

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    In your mind, only Taiwan, US et al. I know better but it would be a waste of my time to explain it.
     
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    The post was about Russian domestic production. Last I checked, Iran ain't Russian. And you would know as a government employee.
    Tell me where the Russians are domestically producing microchips.

    Plus: Ya'll's chips are primitive and quaint.
     
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    Russia does have natural resources though it has great difficulties developing them. Its human capital is pathetic with an extremely poor public education system for the vast majority of the population while it's demographics are terminal with only a tiny population of young people most of whom aren't even ethnically Russian. Its industry is widely noncompetitive as proven how most of their economy is based upon the export of raw materials with military exports being the only manufactured goods they really produce. Most of those are outdated crap as we are seeing now in Ukraine. Technologically? They are far behind on everything.

    It is a dying society with poverty wages, low life expectancies, low quality of life, which has very low worker productivity rates.
     
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    If there is a will, there is a way. Especially for a country with Russia's industrial and technological base, human capital and resources.
     
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    Let me give you some free advice: When you fight the hook while being cross examined, it just makes 1) your position seem weak as your anemic resistance to answering the question highlights the existence of the flaw being picked at; 2) you seem disingenuous.

    Try this: Just answer the question and tell the truth. At some point that means you'll have to admit that something isn't the best for your position. Doing that allows one to salvage more credibility from the process. The way you do it, you're bleeding it everywhere.

    So that's a "They don't produce microchips domestically Reality".

    As to your point that they may because they have a solid base: No they do not. Their war material, about the only thing they produce domestically, is crap SEE Ukraine. They are using off the shelf store bought GPS in their jets ffs. They don't have the industry and they don't have the technology to produce these things domestically on anything like a timescale that would matter. Its human capital is in even worse shape. Anyone who can get out mostly already has and those that remain are the product of 1) the russian education system which is somehow worse than american public schools (which are terrible) ; 2) the russian culture which sadly has been tainted by the corruption, baksheesh, etc that plagued the soviets (and which plagues all communist systems or systems that stem from them which did not properly purge the leftovers). You also have a demographic growth problem (like many nations today your younger generation is not growing). It would take decades to climb out of that hole.
     
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    Maybe it is really because you can't explain it without looking foolish?
     
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    Russia has been trying to produce semiconductors for decades yet they are completely unable to do so and are now forced to rob washing machines and hone computers from Ukrainians to try to get enough microchips to build cruise missiles. It is failing laughably at that too.

    Not exactly a high tech power.
     
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    Thanks for the advice but I come from a country that didn't produce a lot of things it could buy before but, with sanctions, produces them now. Unlike Iran, Russia in many cases won't need to even start from scratch. And while the Russian demographics aren't promising in the longer run, for now the Russians are still churning out a good chunk of the young students earning medals in math and science academic Olympiads.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_..._count_at_International_Mathematical_Olympiad
    also in sciences, where Russia typically ranks 2nd only behind China.
     
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    No microchips, and thus no modern weaponry.
     
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    My argument isn't what they can do now, but they have the base to make virtue out of necessity.
     

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