Ron Paul supporters who will not support the GOP nominee are Liberals

I'm on my Razor ATM but don't worry. I just looked over your reply. It won't be a problem when I get on a full computer

 

No, I am not an Obama supporter by virtue of the republican party not offering a viable alternative. Sorry. Your logic is flawed. Unless I vote or campaign for Obama, I am not an Obama supporter. You really should direct your anger at the Republican party for failing to represent the ideals they pretend to support.

Perhaps more Republican supporters should vote for Ron Paul as a third party candidate, assuming he won't win the nomination.

 

Easily. Page 31

Honestly, if Paul drops out, I much rather would have Obama than the Republican nominee.

Now what.

Paul can't win so of course its cheering for Obama and I just quoted you admitting you are cheering for him.

Now you are just lying about your own words:

Did you really think you could lie about your own words and it wouldn't be noticed?

LOL So no matter what I give you as real differences between them you have already said they will all be classified as pretending. Kind of like your honesty in this reply.

Then back up your lies. Go point for point and show us all how they are EXACTLY alike. Spewing out examples without evidence is very liberal of you.

Same one. Page 31

Why don't you just come out and admit you're a liberal? You've already gone halfway.

So you admit you want to watch it burn rather than get Obama out. Thanks for finally admitting it.

Translation: If I can't get my perfect candidate I will vote for Obama. That is the true markings of an Obama supporter.

And of course there is. I even listed the differences but you lacked the courage to address them,.

Which you have never once proven.

Which of course is another lie and until you can address the specific issues I gave you and their differences it will continue to be another one of your predictable lies.

Spoken like a defeated liberal.

LOL Its one of the most important differences if not THE most important difference between liberals and conservatives. You simply lack the courage to address all the decisions I listed out and how they are some of the most fundamentally changing decisions in our nation's history.

You can't run from your own words.

Quoting again since you have trouble remembering your own words.

And once again you are denying the reality of this nation. Judges decide laws. Presidents appoint judges. This is what makes you a liberal because you have said you would rather have Obama win in Paul isn't the GOP nominee which means you guarantee more liberal judges making law. That is what makes you a liberal.

Another admission you would rather see it burn,.

Spoken like a true liberal. You must love all the liberal media ripping on Fox News all the time. Of course being a liberal yourself its no surprise you hate Fox News.

When you can actually address the issues and explain with specifics how liberals and conservatives are the same and you can address those 5-4 decisions I listed and how you believe they don't matter when it comes to judge appointees come back. Until then get educated on the topic.

 

Wrong again. If you go against the one party that can beat Obama and do so willingly you are an Obama supporter.

Any sane person knows a third party Paul candidate would guarantee an Obama win because it would only suck out GOP votes which guarantees an Obama win.

Man up and admit it. You are an Obama supporter because your actions will guarantee him another 4 more years.

 

I reject the notion that the Republican party can beat Obama without Ron Paul and I reject the notion that any of the other candidates the Republicans are presenting would make any difference vs. 4 more years of an Obama presidency anyway.

Obama beats Romney with or without a third party candidacy.

No, I am not an Obama supporter. I don't support either party, and I support the scenario of the creation of a legitimate third party alternative to the two party corporate oligarchy we have now.

 

Apparently we are engaged in an apocalyptic struggle this year that will define the soul of this nation for ever and ever, amen. All right-thinking individuals are no longer allowed to have an individual viewpoint apart from this US or THEM scenario and the cataclysm that apparently will befall the USA if President Obama is re-elected (even if the House and Senate are Republican, apparently).

On the other hand, an individual Republican voter could see the situation as being one where electing more Republican Senators is more crucial than getting Barack out of the White House, and giving the Republican Party a strong message as to what issues should be at the top of their agenda would not be such a bad thing. It's a bizarre alternate viewpoint (according to Texmaster), but it does have its own logic.

 

The word "vote" is nowhere to be found in that example.
Please show me where I said that I would vote for Obama. Post quote and page number please.

Of course he can win. If he defects and runs as an Indpendent, he will steal many votes from both Romney and Obama.

The key statement here is if Paul drops out. Paul has not dropped out and has no plans to. You cannot say that I am cheering for Obama if I am cheering for Paul. You position is illogical.

Repetetive and wrong. Saying I'd rather have X than Y doesn't necessarily mean I want X to happen. You are making a logical fallacy. Or intentionally making strawmans on me. I can't tell which.

You have given nothing.

1. Foreign Aid: There are zero plans by either party to eliminate foreign aid.
2. Excessive Military Spending: There are zero plans by either party to eliminate excessive military spending.
3. Endless wars: Bush getting us involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, Obama continuing to get us involved in more wars with no end in sight.
4. Protectionism: There are zero plans by either party to eliminate protectionist "free trade" agreements like NAFTA, sugar quotas, etc.
5. Sanctions: There are zero plans by either party to eliminate all economic sanctions against nations.
6. Alliances: There are zero plans by either party to get us out of alliances like NATO, etc.
7. UN: There are zero plans by either party to defund and withdraw UN Membership.
8. IMF/World Bank: There are zero plans by either party to defund and withdraw membership from the IMF/World Bank
9. Federal Reserve/Central Banking System: There are zero plans by either party to eliminate legal tender laws, abolish the Fed, back the dollar with gold/silver and implement a free banking system.
10. Bailouts: Both parties supported bailouts, Bush's and Obama's.
11. Debt: There are zero plans by either party to reign government spending and quit increasing the debt ceiling.
12. Value of the Dollar: There are zero plans by either party to reign in govt spending and quit creating money out of debt to pay for all of it, which destroys the value of the dollar.
13. Social Security: There are zero plans by either party to make social security optional for workers.
14. Size of govt: Government has continuously expanded for the last 100 years, regardless of which party has been in control. Republicans controlled the government from 2003-2006 and government still grew massively in size.
15. Patriot Act: Both parties have passed the Patriot Act multiple times.
16. NDAA: Both parties overwhelmingly passed the NDAA, which authorizes indefinite detainment and torture of US citizens.
17. Expansion of the police state: There are zero plans by either party to repeal the Patriot Act, NDAA, or move to impeach Obama and put him on trial for the high crime of murdering US citizens without trial.
18. 10th Amendment: There are zero plans by either party to enforce the 10th amendment to the Constitution by eliminating most of the federal government and allowing the states to take over the issues.
19. Not securing the borders: There have been zero plans by either party to secure the borders.
20. Pathway to Citizenship: Bush, Gingrich, Obama, and many other members of both parties agree that illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship instead of being immediately deported with no exceptions.
21. War on Drugs: There are zero plans by either party to end the war on drugs.
22. Corporate/Banking Lobbying: There are zero plans by either party to stop lobbying in Congress. The recent TEA Party Congress has proven that they were more than willing to sell their souls to corporate and banking interests.
23. Healthcare: Bush's Perscription Drug Plan was just a precursor to Obamacare. There are zero plans by either party to repeal Bush's Plan, and it's highly unlikely that Obamacare will be repealed by a Republican President/Congress in the future.

And the list goes on and on.

Supporting liberal Republicans is very liberal of you.

Already debunked. I am a Paul supporter, not an Obama supporter. The two are virtually polar opposites in almost every way. Who do you think Obama would rather face off against? Romney or Paul?

I'm not the one who supports a party and ideology that is virtually identical to the party and ideology of progressive liberalism.

No, I want Paul to put the fire out. Not cheering for Paul is wanting to watch it burn. That is what you want. You just want it to burn more slowly. I want to put the fire out.

You're strawmaning me again. I never said that I will vote for Obama. Unless you care to provide me with a quote where I said that I will vote for Obama, we can safely assume that your argument has zero factual backing and you are just making stuff up in a lame attempt to preserve your shattered worldview and ego.

You have listed nothing.

See above. Plenty of examples given.

I'm not the one who supports a party and ideology that is virtually identical to the party and ideology of progressive liberalism.

You have listed no decisions. All you said were that the Supreme Court rules 5-4 on many issues. All that proves is that half the judges rule against the Constitution most of the time. That is not supporting your position at all, it is supporting my position.

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Saying I would rather have Obama than any of the other Republicans is not saying that I am going to vote for Obama. You are taking out of your ass.

Already proven that there are minimal differences between neo-cons and liberals. They are both Collectivists who only cite the Constitution when it's convenient for them and spit on it otherwise.

It is no such thing. Speaking the truth does not mean that I support it.

Fox News and all the liberal media are controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations anyway. They are the flip side of the same Collectivist coin as the liberal media.

You have listed no 5-4 decisions.

 

no, your loser party does.

 

be a man and stop eating the dung of the republican party

 

Man up?!?

Lol.

Look...it's 1978 again.

 

IMO, the Republican candidate cannot win solely based on the anti-pbama vote. If there is nothing to vote FOR, too many people will stay home.

 

49 pages of Paul supporters owning establishment GOPers.

Nice thread, Tex.

 

Maybe RP supporters aren't neo-cons. Maybe they're real conservaitves, fiscally. Maybe they're independants that don't like either party, maybe they're disgruntled d's or r's.
Many reasons why RP supporters won't want to support a GWB or obama clone.
Any other R candidate, cept maybe Huntsman, is more of the same crap we've had for decades.
So your crying falls on deaf ears.

OH, maybe RP supporters are tired of selling out their principals for the lesser of 2 evils. Maybe more americans should hold true to their principals and over time we will become more like the america people actually would like to see.

 

Our main obstacle isn't the internet and the young who are screwed. Our main obstacle is the small government baby boomers who have all ready made their fortune or have nice lives, who vote the lesser of two evils thinking they are at least slowing down the destruction long enough for them to die with theirs. It is the older boys at the cafe or the bar who are going to screw us. Those without hope and the young are already sold on Paul. Inner cities will vote Obama just because he is black. There is no changing that. We also have a huge chunk of our population who doesn't participate in politics, refuses to vote, those who will not help in elections. We have to hit the pavement and plead with the older boys, and try and convince those who have given up to give the system one last try and vote for Paul. More than likely nothing will change until the majority of baby boomers are dead. But we have to at least try. As for those who have given up, don't hate or blame them. Push comes to shove, they will be 1st to sign up to fight. They are just waiting for us "dumb asses" to realize that is all that is left. They are as frustrated with us as we are with them.

 

^ That's some sage (*)(*)(*)(*) right there. Nobody wins elections on an anti-incumbent platform. People want to vote *for* something. That goes double for Romney, as he's pretty much the same thing as Obama.

 

Owning? Like blind numbskulls claiming Paul is leading in this poll and that poll while he leads and has led in NONE? That owning?

OR how Paul will do this and that while in 35 years he has not managed to pass one bill about ANY of his principles? That kind of owning?

Paul is a man of talk, not a man of action. HISTORY is clear conclusive proof of that.

Or how Paul was going to win Iowa and NH, while he won nothing. That kind of owning?

And you Paulobots complain the the mainstream media AND Fox are ignoring Paul like it was a big conspiracy against Paul.

They ignore Paul for the same reason that you don't see a headline that the old schoolhouse did not burn down. Or that a plane did not crash. You don't see that headline because it is not news. And they are in the NEWS business. Paul is not news. He is an old ineffectual politician that has never accomplished a thing and he is running for president AGAIN. That is not news. It is a bore. the media does not make money boring people.

You have owned nothing. You especially don't own or even have a clue about TRUTH.

And this is from a person that deeply wants many of Paul's positions to become FACT, not empty hot air. I want much of what he says to be real! But I'm not so stupid to believe that a tired old man that has never brought even one of his principles to fruition, will change at this late date.

You own imaginary nonsense.

 

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate with any common sense... and honesty.

 

Yeah, that is why you have 4 people on your side and there is 40 on ours. Newsflash: You 4 are the nutjobs.

 

New NEWSFLASH. Paul got his ass handed to him by Santorum in Iowa and by Romney in NH and he is not even a joke candidate in South Carolina and Florida and after super Tuesday, he will GO HOME where he belongs. He has said his piece. That is the summation of his career. He SAID his piece. He DID nothing.

4 nut jobs? More idiocy that Paulobots think is real. You all claim that all the other candidates are exactly the same. IF that were true, its not [truth is a concept you cannot grasp] then Paul got 22.9% of the NH vote. 77.1% of all the NH voters agreed with us 4 nut jobs. You got 40, we got over 180,000.

SC will be worse, FL will be worse, Super Tuesday will be the end, or sooner.

 

Simnple repeating the same tired old BS over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over doesn't make it true.

Mitt Romney CANNOT beat Obama. He is unelectable, and will be ANNIHILATED in a general election. The nomination of Mitt Romney will GUARANTEE a second term for Obama.

 

Well, it is good to know you would be in favor of direct democracy and public rule.

 

Accept who you are, a supporter of a party more liberal than Clinton.

 

The truth is that Ron Paul is the only candidate whose campaign is not financed by corporate interests. He hasn't taken a dime from PAC's. He's the only candidate not beholden to corporate interests, and therefore the only one that will be intent on serving in the interests of our nation.

Supporting amy other candidate is supporting the big government for big business corporate oligarchy. Its time for true conservatives to put up or shut up. Paul's ideology is not going away. The young people that support his ideals are the next generation of law makers in this country. We're going to have to fix the mess your generation left us with. The times are changing. The likes of Clinton and Bush will come to be a dark distant memory and my children will know a country where the government that is truly of, by and for the people.

 

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Prety soon the Republican party will be so liberal that Clinton could run as a Republican.