Russia Threatens PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE AGAINST NATO Over Missile Defense

OK, the Russians were threatening to place missiles in Kaliningrad, Russia... their own soil, ostensibly to threaten the United States? The Iskander-E, which has the greater range, is definitely a threat up to about 500 kilometers, but from the proposed staging points east of Poland, they could hardly be considered a threat to the United States.

Anyway, if that's all they have to scare Obama with, then he's even a bigger idiot than I thought. He may have forgotten that he is the Commander-in-Chief of a Navy that is equipped with a large fleet of Ohio-class nuclear submarines, each of which has lots of MIRV'd hydrogen bombs and thermobaric weapons for ready deployment. And those submarines are reputed to be able to go anywhere there's deep water, including under the ice off the northern coast of Russia.... And the Russian submarines? They're mostly found today in rusting piles of antiquated, obsolete crap, littering Russian Navy sea ports. It's funny... based on the facts, you'd think that it would be Putin who is trying hard to kiss Obama's ass, instead of the other way around....

 

I reiterate: Russia's a country of 140 million with a GDP smaller than California's, a large chunk of which is controlled by criminals. They're not going to risk becoming a country of 25 people and a GDP of $0, guys.

So come on. Get real and stop giving yourselves a chub fantasizing about the threat of a Russia-initiated nuclear holocaust.

 

As usual from reading this topic. The americans under estimate russia. The usa weakness which is going to be used by Putin and the Kremlin.

Which looks like russia is winning this war game. They have play their hand with pre emptive strike if the missile shields continue. A very serious statement, to which calm minds in america should take note.

 

Horsecrap. Russia is a Paper Tiger, even moreso than the ALREADY DEFEATED Soviet Union was...

 

Then you should have no trouble backing that up with evidence, right?

BTW, nothing to say about how utterly wrong you are about our immunity to nuclear attack?

 

We are the only nation on Earth capable of shooting down orbital targets. Get you mind around that yet?

The Russians cannot build a reliable TOOTHPICK, no matter how much you try to pretend otherwise.

Not to mention you complete inability to cite a single nuclear capable Russian missile capable of defeating our defenses, or how in the world the Russians wold hav ea snowball's chance in hell of stopping ours.

Please also cite exactly WHO in Russia will be mounting a "retaliatory attack" from the smoldering ashes of their entire central political,and military leadership?

Not to mention the Stealth bombers we'd be using to "glass over" any missed spots...

 

The Russians don't have to elude our defenses. How many times do I have to prove this?

They'd simply overwhelm them. We have 30 interceptors. They have hundreds of ICBMs and over a thousand warheads. We could stop 30 of them (assuming a 100% fire to kill ratio which is absurd) but they would still annihilate us.

BTW, the US is NOT the only country to have the ability to shoot down orbital targets. The Chinese can too. And the Russians demonstrated ASAT missiles in the 1970's.

The Russians would be able to retaliate because missiles have a hang time. It takes a half an hour to strike Russia from the US. They would detect our launches and fire back while our missiles are in the air.

But I didnt expect you to know that because, if nothing else, this thread has proven that you are woefully ignorant on this subject and lack the wherewithal to have an opinion worth listening to.

 

Your descent into personal insults, as well your desperate nedd to keep moving the goalposts, just highlights your politically tainted and flawed knowledge of this topic.

I'm just talking the REAL TECH... not your imginary, based on what you want to think can happen...hooey.
Yaaawwwnnnn...then we'll just annihilate them with a strategic airstrike, before they even know they are under attack....yaaaaaawnnnnn, now tell us all about the Magnificent Imaginary Russian Stealth Proof Air Defenses....yaaaaawwwnnn...

 

We have 20 B-2's. How are they going to strike hundreds of silos across the length of Russia and take out the Russian subs before the Russia s realize they are under attack and retaliate?

BTW does this mean that you are admitting defeat on your bull(*)(*)(*)(*) argument that we are immune to nuclear attack?

 

You're accusing me of moving goalposts?

Let's just do a quick recap:

You claim that we are immune to nuclear attack because of AEGIS. I pointed out the failings of that system. You then moved the goalposts to:

Claiming that the Ground Based Midcourse System is a trump card. I pointed out that we only have 30 interceptors. You then moved the goalposts to:

Claiming that Russian equipment was flawed and that the Russians missiles would fail on launch. I asked you to prove that assertion. Instead you deflected by moving the goalposts to:

Now claiming that we would simply launch a strike by stealth bombers on them. I have pointed out that we only have 20 B-2's. Let's see where you move the goalposts to next, shall we.

BTW, we have never used the B-2 in airspace protected by an integrated air defense network protected by phased array radars. Our own allies have stated in the past that they have detected the B-2, and while they haven't achieved a lock on, it would only take getting a single fighter into the area to shoot them down.

 

PLease cite the verified proof of the Chinese/Russians shooting down targets at orbital speed (17,000 mph) in the stratospher...outside of whatever comic book is your reference.

 

The Federation of American Scientists is a comic book? Who knew? http://www.fas.org/spp/guide/russia/military/asat/index.html

Here's another. It shows that the Russian ASAT capability dates to the 1960's.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/is.html


Oh, and here is the Chinese ASAT launch: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test

What goalpost are you moving to next?

 

The silence from the administration is deafening. He's letting his Russian buddies push us around and look weak.

 

It would best be solved with some backbone.

 

No blinking is, he should have Secretary Clinton go to the Russian ambassador with a message, that ANY attack on a US asset will be met with a retaliatory attack on a similar Russian asset in an foreign country, one they cannot afford to replace while we stand ready to immediately replace any part of our missile defense system taken out of action.

 

Now, let ME "do a quick recap':

1. cited the PROVEN ACCURACY and STRAOSPHERIC RANGE of the Aegis system; you cited your OWN SPECULATION about the Russian's strategic capabilites.
Please cite the CHinese ,Russians or ANYONE doing the same thing: small target (ICBM SIZE), orbital speed (17,000+ mph), a SINGLE MISSILE, FROM A MOVING VESSEL.
We won't hold our breath waiting...

2. I ,correctly pointed out that Russians build JUNK. That I need to "prove" that to you, highlights your "Cliff's Notes" depth of knowlegde of this topic, but, if I have to take the horse to the water...:



One of the most spectacular sky shows in recent history took place shortly before dawn this past 9 December over northern Norway. Hundreds of witnesses -- many of them fortuitously equipped with the latest in camcorder technology -- stared in amazement at a bright white spiral cloud spinning silently in the eastern sky.

Before being identified as what it was -- a Russian military missile test -- the apparition was variously hailed a UFO, a cosmic wormhole, a divine vision, a mishap caused by the newly operational Large Hadron Collider, and some nefarious ionospheric engineering by the notorious High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program antennas.

At the Russian Ministry of Defense, in Moscow, one could easily forgive officials for wishing that one of those explanations were correct. That's because the reality was a glaring advertisement for what has become the greatest aerospace engineering crisis of the Russian government: the disaster-ridden ,"trouble-plagued" would be an understatement. military missile called Bulava [accent on the middle syllable]. Designed to be the next-generation submarine-launched intercontinental ballistic missile ICBM, Bulava has had 11 test flights since 2005 -- and has failed most of them, including the last three in a row .


http://news.discovery.com/space/russia-missile-failure-norway-spiral.html


Warn us all again about the "imminent threat" from "Russian Military Technology", which is an OXYMORON, to the sentient of the planet.

3.The B2A has ALREADY DEFEATED "PHASED ARRAY RADAR"..in COMBAT. Where have you been?

The F35, F22,and B2018(will) all also defeat pahsed array radar, not to mention that we also deploy AWACS when we come to kick your ass, as well, which scramble your radar.

Come on, make up some more "Mighty Russians" bullcrap; this is fun...we'd "glaze" Russia, while theyu still were sleeping off the nightly hangovers...

 

My own speculation? I posted links. And again, the AEGIS system is useless for shooting down orbital objects unless it is under their orbital path. How are we going to get AEGIS ships into the Arctic Circle again?

OMG! You're telling me that a prototype weapon that is still in the development phase has failures? What?!? When has that ever happened in history?

You have evidence of the failure rate of any of their actual developed weapons?

Where was that exactly? Iraq, Serbia, and Afghanistan all had radar systems dating from the 1960's.

Yep. We should deploy jamming craft. That wouldn't telegraph our attack or anything.

I tell you what, you should go back to playing Command and Conquer and leave military strategy to people who actually know something about it.

 

Exactly. That's the real danger with this missile shield. Russia's response will be to build up it's nuclear weapons capacity to try to overwhelm it. China then responds to Russia and then Pakistan to China, and so on.

 

We are much more able both technologically and economically to enlarge our missile defense system than for them to build and arm more Nuclear ICBM's.

 

Or they will try to develop an un-interceptible system that would be even worse, like a Pluto Cruise Missile or Nuclear equipped satelites in geo-synch orbit over the continental US.

 

It's always cheaper to build a better attack than a better defense.

 

Now, now; don't belabor the painfully obvious; it'll wreck their little game of "The Big Bad Russians", which is really fun to watch, and play with them.

They can make up a lot of funny stuff...

 

Still waiting for the "links" you claim you provided, citing the Russains AND Red CHinese shooting down orbital speed targets in the stratosphere.

 

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