Ukraine bus attack kills 12 as airport battle worsens

My condolesences, but they ran away from a very peaceful protesters, right? They had nothing to fear and noone was threatening their life, right? Or better to say it was some guy, let's say Putin who has stolen all the guys in order to damage your country?

When westerners who don't know where Crimea and Ukraine are located think like that I do understand them. But you don't have a chance not know what were people really thinking in Crimea for all the years after collapsing of USSR. You know for sure how they were voting and the way they were perceived by the western ukrainians. "The dust to eyes" is when you forget about it just on some formal reasons.

I agree that from the terms of law the procedure didn't look clean. But there cannot be a conduct according to the law when there is no law in the country. The government in Ukraine was overthrown. It was done illegally. And crimeans at that moment of absence of any law performed on their own. I have no reasons to think that the over 90% result for the independence of Crimea from Ukraine and for joining Russia. If the same referendum was in Donbass the results would be lower. 70-80% for the same. If the same procedure happened in western Ukraine I wouldn't expect any higher percentage for the same as 5-10%. We both know it. But the junta who came to power illegally last year decided to kill and supress pro-russian people in the regions they needed. That's the main reason for the war. That's basically why the war is active in Donbass and doesn't happen in Crimea.

The weapon doesn't make war by itself, does it? You need people to make war. I must admit that ukrainians were struggling their best. Looking at how fast and easy french and german people are ready to make war muslims I need to admit that I thought too bad of ukrainians last year. They were waiting till the last and despite all the blood and death there the war is rapidly down if not fed by provocations like it happened with the bus.
If we dream of a special virus which kills the administration or takes away the information change of ukrainian puppets with their masters, then the war would be over in a couple of months and in a couple of years the contacts between russians and western ukrainians would return and in couple decades the re-union of our nations would be quite possible. Unfortunately I see no special team or virus who will neutralise the people whose will is to prolongue this useless war.

This video is exactly the one which made it obvious that it is not. Grad looks differntly. Grad is fire. Its 6-7 kg of expolisve. What we see is a theater and special provocation from the very beginning to the very end.

 

Maidan is a political show and it is against of the law from the very beginning.

I wouldn't mind if Ukraine was a strong democracy with independent and strong economy and reasonable democratic policy towards its people. I would very much like if you had the freedoms to speak the language to believe any faith, to do the business with easy rules. If Ukraine as a sovereign nation would have built a better state than mr Putin I would sell all of my property and move to Ukraine to live and work there. It's a free world afterall and I would see no problem working not for Moscow Kremlin but for Kiev Sophia. Unfortunately such a state was never built in Ukraine. But another dependant state which is ruled by anyone who is shameless enough to lie and get disquised, the state which cannot live and earn the living but has already been slain by fascist ideas of superiority of one language or nation over the other (which is fascism of course even in its smallest details) is the one which we see now. So it is not you who have the right to teach me how to make a state. It's me who gave his own property to the guys from eastern Ukraine fleeing from your aggression. Or better to say from the aggression of those who use the ideas you like.

 

All what you said is fully sophisticated, is just dust to eyes, demagogy and empty words. I have eyes and what I can see? I see russian citizen which was fully trained in Russia, which were armed by Russia. They are driving Russian tanks and shooting from Russian weapons, they have Russian flags and there fighting to kill Ukrainians to join Russia. Russian soldiers invaded crimea and annexed it. All this actions from beginning to end sponsors by Russia. But I should think that it's aggression by America. You can by hours repeating long confusing propaganda speeches, which (I don't even know is it coincidence) identically with Hitler-Gebbel's propaganda, why we it's normal to hide behind backs of civilians, why it's normal to invade and annex territory of other country because dwarf-schizophrenicand man in Kremlin thinks that mythically nazi which we can only see on russian TV which pressing the russian (I can't even understand how it can fit if even Dmytro Jarosh (who is the leadership of punishers) is russian-speaker, lol).

Russian propaganda is ugly, because they are telling about sanctions, that russian people should have a rought time, rally around the president, after this good words, there siting down in comfortable private jet and flying to America while a part of russian civilians should not live, should survive.

So, russian propaganda have a very good troll. For example, there is a nice song with words "Act, Putin, act Putin - Putin is our russian president. Russia have a hard argument - Russian President *refrain*" which have the same melody as hitlergund march, it's even in the same tonality. [video=youtube;wSjCAFBNAic]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSjCAFBNAic[/video][video=youtube;kOmPfd3WgAs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOmPfd3WgAs#t=16[/video]

So, humorous ukrainian studio "95 quartal" made a video. Words are not important.
[video=youtube;MYKF3kScfIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYKF3kScfIs[/video]

 

Got any photos of these arms or any evidence they have been supplied by the US in this conflict ?

 

Ever since Putin ordered the invasion, there's been a lot of bloodshed. Sad that he did that.

 

Ofcourse it's lie. Ukrainian wars in Donbass using soviet union weapons which was developed a half of century ago. Sorry for google translate, but it article too huge to translate. Evidences of russian weapons in Donbass: http://goo.gl/vCPWgQ

 

I know this . I was simply 'outing' the forums leading anti American 'sociopath' with her own claims ....... again

 

Everybody in russia thinks that america invaded ukraine and russia is just trying to help. In russia was destroyed the most of non-government SMI, other were left in hard economic situation, for example, non-government SMI can't show advertising on TV, so they lost main
source of income. Russian propaganda specially blows antiamerican and anti-western hysteria, so people lost touch with reality, propaganda turned off common sense and ability to think. Russia spends million dollars for propaganda.

 

I wonder how many millions current Ukrainian government spends for your brainwash? Как это у вас там? Кто не скачет, тот москаль?

 

In ukraine goverment SMI takes not more that 2-3% of the SMI market.

Moscovits don't jump - legs have left in Donbass.

 

A lie repeated thousand times is not getting any better. Unfortunately there was no russian troops sent to invade US puppets residences in Kiev. If it was done a lot of people would have been alive. But that would be done at the expense that Putin is not willing to take. If only the majority of people in the west could estimate the facts themselves - a lot would be different.

 

Nonsense, the Russian Army is a bunch of genocidal ethnic cleansing war criminals.

 

it can be said about any army of any country, and what? Ukrainian army in these days clear evidence of this.
and btw Russian Army is invincible - historical fact.

 

Just because you deny something, doesn't make it true. The world knows the truth, hence why the world sanctioned Russia. All alone

 

This is all outdated now. We are witnessing a new round of attacks against Novorussia. Mobilization is going on in Ukraine, mothers and wives are protesting on streets of major cities. How Porko can force Russian people to fight Russian people to protect his government infested with foreigners and crackpots from Lvov? I expect we will see new mass surrenderings of Ukrainian troops to Novorussians.

 

The bus driver survived the attack. He has given an interview and states that it was not a Grad rocket that hit the bus.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ea...y-of-bus-driver-points-to-kiev-regime/5426000

...... The MH-17 Bus- Kiev’s New Opportunity to Justify a Massive Attack

What would have happened if the pilot of Malaysian flight MH-17 had miraculously survived and said exactly what he saw that day? Would anything Russia, Ukraine, or the USA have to say counter that? If he said he saw fighter jets would it matter? If he said it was a BUK missile could anyone argue?

This time the pilot survived. Sergei Cherenko was the bus driver when that bus was attacked in Volnovaha. He not only survived, he tried to help his passengers. Yesterday he gave an interview with Korrespondent.net and told exactly what happened, and the direction he saw the rockets come from. Mr. Cherenko who has worked for 21 years as a bus driver is still working the same route today with no time off in between.

He was driving to Donetsk when they stopped at the checkpoint. On his left was Volonavaha. He stated clearly if a Grad landed near the bus no one would have survived. He saw the Grad rockets coming from his left which was north toward the city. According to his testimony which is in line with other survivors, the Grad attack came from Ukrainian controlled territory.

The passengers were killed by the mine. This time the pilot survived. Will anyone believe him?

 

Refer to the TERM "Seki" in the schema of "minor tactics" subgroup of grand tactics. Common in game of Go. Aggressor loses. Creates tie where there is obvious outcome in favor of the one who abstains.

 

This is buffoonery. The US sanctioned Russia along with its proxies, Germany, France (kicking and screaming) and the UK.

That's it.

The UN didn't, making US sanctions illegal (but since when does the US care?)

China didn't.

India didn't.

Brazil didn't.

The world is watching the failing US empire flounder and retreat on every front, with cheers and jeers, the world hates you America.

Because people like you just don't know what you're talking about.

 

Google translation of bus driver's answer to question as to what hit the bus:

" Himself checkpoint fired Grads. But if hit by a shell near the Castle, I would have never talked to you. Just at the checkpoint are still mine. And it worked mine, namely fragmentation."

 

Novorusiya does not exist, it is an 1800's term you Russians Are trying to spread as a propaganda tool.

The Eastern half of Ukraine is being occupied by Russian thugs. Sadly the Ukrainian army will have to fight them back to free Ukrainian territory. The blood is on the Russians inside Ukraine's hands.

The world knows this, not even my Russian friends are as crazy as the paid shills on this forum

 

Yawn. Putin trolls are so boring. Meanwhile, the Russian ruble is the worst currency on the planet. An Afghan rock is worth more in some countries. lol

 

I just ask for a proof.

That is just a case of pressure of US at weak european politicians. Those who have balls didn't join. Unfortunately our world lack for men with strong principles.

 

Look the truth in the eye. Economic ass from Ukraine by means of the Negro from the white house and the German porn star trying to cross the border of Russia-Ukraine. and not to offend gay Garopa. But as long as Russia keeps, and soon (hope the Lord will take) Garapati will receive the nozzle from the "quilted Jackets" (honestly, proudly sounds the word "coat" is associated with a person who flag this robe on the Reichstag mount) and will go in his Garou entertain thoughts about the new trek on the great and proud Northern country.