Omarosa says Trump is a racist who uses N-word - and claims there's tape to prove it

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  1. garyd

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    I'm going based on what she herself has said. She has said she never heard hims say that word herself but she believes there's tapes of him saying it. What is her basis for that conclusion?
     
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    Arendt points out that the old order has to be overthrown and a dictator installed before totalitarianism becomes an option for a dictator.
    She argues that a totalitarian system can not function until every individual is isolated from any kind of reliable group support including class, party, and family.
    Frequent purges and systematic mass murder are a critical element. Arendt argues that it can not be imposed by a tyrant in a small nation - they do not have enough people to spare,.
     
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    1984, like Animal Farm, was describing the kind of totalitarian system crafted by Stalin. Orwell, became very familiar with how that system worked when he fought for the Spanish Republic. In 1984, he imagined this model imposed on the UK.
    The UK, even at its worst, has never been a totalitarian dictatorship.
     
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    Can you list a few unique RW characteristics of Hitler? Some things that clearly distinguish Hitler from Stalin would be interesting.
     
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    They should be afraid. They are outnumbered, and hopefully outgunned.
     
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    He's human, he's keeping his promises, he's working for America, and his supporters love it.
     
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    Hated communists, hated gays, nationalist, racist, favored segregation would be a few. Authoritarians have a lot in common, but their methods vary. A RW dictatorship would have a lot in common with a LW dictatorship.

    Obviously you know there are several RW authoritarians in the US. They'd be anyone who tries to dictate what people should believe, how they should live and what they can or cannot do.
     
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    A person doesn't have to say the N-word to be a racist. Conversely, just because a person uses the word doesn't make them a racist. Context is everything. Agreed she claims she's only heard him say it on tape meaning he never said it in her presence.

    She claims working for him for a decade is the basis of her assessment. CNN points out several flaws in her book, but since many RWNJs think CNN is "Fake News" they'd be low-life hypocrites to accept CNN's word for it, eh? LOL

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/11/politics/omarosa-tell-all-white-house/index.html
    ....Manigault Newman was previously best known for her polarizing character on NBC's "The Apprentice."

    She insists her firing last December was because she knew too much about a possible audio recording of the President uttering a racial epithet, which she claims was the subject of deep consternation among campaign — and later White House — aides. Manigault Newman provides no proof of the alleged recording. She writes she turned down an offer from Trump's daughter-in-law to sign a nondisclosure agreement in exchange for a job on the President's re-election campaign paying $15,000 per month. The book did not include a copy of the nondisclosure agreement, but The Washington Post said it reviewed it. The campaign declined CNN's request for comment.

    Manigault Newman, who was in charge of Trump's African-American outreach, also recounts instances that made her re-think her loyalties to the President and the administration, particularly in the wake of the white supremacist rally in Charlottesville in August 2017.

    "Donald Trump, who would attack civil rights icons and professional athletes, who would go after grieving black widows, who would say there were good people on both sides, who endorsed an accused child molester; Donald Trump, and his decisions and his behavior, was harming the country. I could no longer be a part of this madness," she wrote.
    Manigault Newman, however, remained employed at the White House for several months after the deadly Charlottesville rally and did not leave voluntarily. Her book, and the account it provides of a President who stokes racial tensions for political purposes, comes about one-year after the rally.

    But there are very few particulars that can be verified in her book; many are clearly wrong, such as an inaccurate account of what Trump said during remarks on his second day in office at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

    Quoting Trump's early, post-inauguration speech at the CIA lamenting his inauguration crowd, Manigault Newman takes some editorial liberty, adding within quotation marks that Trump says, "Liars! Fake news!" He did not say that.

    Others are being denied by the White House, some more forcefully than others; a description about the drama of installing a tanning bed in the White House residence is untrue, officials insisted, claiming there is no such apparatus in Trump's home.

    Other details Manigault Newman passes off as her own original observations, even if they were reported on months or even years ago, like the inability of Trump staffers to turn on the lights during meetings early in the administration....
     
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    Do you think Trump is so stupid that if he did use any racial epithets in private he couldn't remember not to do so in public?
     
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    Too bad that article wasn't written before Benghazi, eh?
     
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    What do you think especially distinguishes Hitler's political ideology from Stalin's?
     
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    Error. That question was intended for Guy.
     
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    That is what I thought before I started investigating the history of the two totalitarian tyrants.

    1. Stalin executed far more Communists than Hitler. Stalin turned over the German KPD leaders to the Gestapo.
    2. Many of Hitler's key henchmen were gay including the heads of the SA and the Freikorps.
    3. Stalin abandoned the Communist International for "Socialism In One Country".
    4. Stalin certainly hated Jews.

    "Similar nontotalitarian dictatorships sprang up in prewar Rumania,
    Poland, the Baltic states, Hungary, Portugal and Franco Spain. The Nazis,
    who had an unfailing instinct for such differences, used to comment con-
    temptuously on the shortcomings of their Fascist allies while their genuine
    admiration for the Bolshevik regime in Russia (and the Communist Party
    in Germany) was matched and checked only by their contempt for Eastern
    European races. 12 The only man for whom Hitler had "unqualified respect"
    was "Stalin the genius," 13 (13 Hitlers Tischgesprdche, p. 113. There we also find numerous examples showing that, contrary to certain postwar legends, Hitler never intended to defend "the West" against Bolshevism but always remained ready to join "the Reds" for the destruction of the West, even in the middle of the struggle against Soviet Russia. See especially pp. 95, 108, 113 ff., 158, 385.

    The Origins of Totalitarianism, by HANNAH ARENDT, Meridian Books , A MERIDIAN HOOK, Cleveland and New York, 1958.
    https://archive.org/stream/TheOriginsOfTotalitarianism/The-Origins-of-Totalitarianism_djvu.txt
     
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    There is little evidence that Trump has ever exercised normal caution about what he says in public or private.
     
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    If someone uses the N word, or use the term ****, whop, wet back, pepper belly, is this irrefutable evidence that the person using that term is a racist? As my philosophy prof said back in the early 70s...it ain't necessarily so.

    It takes much more than using the N word, given its prolific use in the black community, in order to make for a racist.

    The idea that it is just this sound that makes for racism is just nonsense. Racism is in the heart and mind of a person. I would never use that as a means test for racism. It might mean the person is racist, but it is not the defining factor that determines racism. You can better tell by the way a person treats and interacts with another race. How he treats that person. His general attitude towards the race, evidenced by words and deeds.

    Just uttering the N word does not make the person a racist But if a person uses that word, and hateful emotions accompany it, exhibited by the tone of voice, facial expressions, etc, then sure, that would be a much better indicator.

    Here where I live, there are two kinds of black folks. First you would when describing a black person, if that person was a good person, good character, might say so and so is black. But if you are speaking of a criminal, a thug, someone your wallet would not be safe in showing, a no good, no account black human being, some people, white people, might say he is a N*****. But it has nothing to do with racism, it is a word that denotes a no account, no character, criminal bum.

    But I can go a year without hearing this term used to denote that kind of person. And it isn't used as racism. The same white person would call a similar white person, white trash.

    Those whites who might use that word are distinguishing between good black people and bad black people. So, it isn't used as a racist term at all. They are not exhibiting racism when they use it. Of course many people will only say that it is being used by a racist, and their minds are made up, regardless of if racism is involved or not.

    Yet as the decades have passed, this word is basically out of use here in the south these days. The younger generations never use it to my knowledge. I don't think northern liberals have a clue just how much this term has fell out of use as the racists of earlier generations have died out. I am not sure this would make them happy or not. ha ha. I think they look for that word being used, but if they come south, they would not hear it as much as they might expect, or like. ha ha ha

    IMO while racism will always exist with the uneducated, the low IQ people, it just isn't that prevalent anymore ,even in the south. I think it is limited to a very small group of neo nazis and KKK people. And these groups are not acceptable to the majority of southern people today.

    I don't think trump is a racist, but democrats want him to be. Just something else to hate him about, if they can convince themselves. I think the only color he notices is the color green, the color of money, or the color of gold and silver. He spent most of his life as a new york democrat liberal after all. Democrats are not supposed to be racists. ha ha. So did he have to join a racist group in order to become a racist, or what? In order to join the GOP? ha ha ha
     
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    In short, totalitarian dictators are brutal.

    Let's go back further into history and look a Julius Caesar, regarded by many to be a hero. He led the destruction of the Roman Republic. That's not a hero to me. In Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar", Caesar is the hero and Brutus and Cassius are the villains because they murdered the dictator who made himself king. Understandable in a country ruled by a monarchy. After all, Kings and Queens are sensitive to writers who depict the execution of Kings, Queens, Czars and Caesars as heroic. In Dante's Inferno, also written with an Italian monarchy ruling the nation, Brutus and Cassius are dangling from the mouth of Satan in the Ninth Circle of Hell for murdering the "Divine" ruler of their nation. Wrong. They killed a dictator who took over the Republic.

    Sidestepping for a moment, no matter how benevolent or good Julius Caesar may have been for the Roman empire, his actions eventually led to the despots like Caligula and the ultimate collapse of the Roman empire. Tyranny, regardless of the type, must be fought.
     
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    And you believe her?

    She's trying to sell a damn book for God Sake! She'll say and make up anything to sell the book.

    If there is no proof other than her saying it, then it didn't happen.
     
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    Among donald trump’s most impressive accomplishment was surviving—triumphing despite serial bankruptcies where he shamelessly screwed virtually all his business partners. Sadly Donald trump seems to think he can successfully make America great again using the same skill set
     
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    Sorry, Tom Arnold heard him say it. Repeatedly, but wont run the tape and get sued.
     
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    "I'm going to hire the best people, I'm going to drain the swamp!":roflol: :roll:
     
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    Time will tell.
     
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    Just glad that Trump only hires the best people ... WTF. Who really did not see this coming? Trump has hired and fired more crap people in his first year in office than any other President. Half of them out on ethics violations. It's Trump's Clown Car.
     
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    What ever else you say about Julius Caesar, he and his successor emperors built a astoundingly dominant economic and military behemoth.... incalculably greater than the Roman republic. And, I think we have to agree that most Americans would prefer such dominance at the price of their republic.

    As a side note, the reality of the hallowed Roman republic is that it was a system to share power among the aristocrats with virtually zero respect or concern for non aristocrats... it is not as though ordinary Romans had any vote for senators... ordinary people were literally excluded from any political position... that is the reality of the vaunted Roman republic
     
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    Obama only hired the best too...

    * Adolfo Carrion - kickbacks from developers (Urban Czar nominee)
    * Bill Richardson - pay-to-play donor contract scandal (Commerce Secretary)
    * Jon Cannon - mismanaged $25 million in EPA grants (EPA Administrator)
    * Steven Rattner - pay-to-play scandal (Car Czar)
    * Rahm Emanuel – tax cheat and made $320,000 at the failing Freddie Mac (White House Chief of Staff).
    * Larry Summers – $8 million in compensation and speaking fees from bailed out company (Economic Advisor)
    * Ronald Sims - financial mismanagement, ethical transgressions and egregious abuses of freedom of information law (HUD nominee)
    * Louis Caldera – resigned over the Manhattan flyover fiasco (Director of the White House Military Office)
    * Timothy Geithner – tax cheat and told AIG to withhold information from public (Treasury secretary)
    * Tom Daschle – tax cheat (HHS Secretary Nominee)
    * Nancy Killefer – tax cheat (Chief Performance Officer Nominee)
    * Ron Kirk – tax cheat (U.S. Trade Representative)
    * Kathleen Sebelius - tax cheat (HHS nominee)
    * Capricia Marshall – tax cheat (chief of protocol for the State Department)
    * Valerie Jarrett - managed Rezko real estate scandal (Obama Advisor)
    * Jide Zeitlin - identity fraud (Appointee to the UN)
    * Erroll Southers - illegal background check on former wife's boyfriend (TSA appointee)
    * Yusuf Acar – arrested on bribery charges (appointee's associate)
    * Sushil Bansal – arrested on bribery charges (appointee's associate)
     
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    Tom Arnold? Really?

    Let's hear the damn tape then or it didn't happen.

    People can and will say anything even if it is not true.

    If no evidence, then it didn't happen.
     
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