What the hell is the Greek People's Problem?

Funny how people like to blame Corporations and Republicans for outsourcing.

Oh wait ...

Who past NAFTA = Bill Clinton Democrat
Who past South Korea Free Trade Agreement = Obama Democrat

Obama's biggest single contributors by group was Banks and Wall Street. Are those not the same groups that f'd the whole financial system?

Who did Goldman donate almost $1 million dollars to = Obama Democrat
Who did Citigroup donate $700,000 to = Obama Democrat
Who did JP Morgan donate $700,000 to = Obama Democrat
Who Did UBS donate $500,000 to = Obama Democrat

In fact Obama (a Democrat) raised more money from Wall Street and Banks than ANY PRESIDENT EVER - including John McCain (who raised not even 1/3rd that from Big Banks and Wall Street)

Obama's other donors by groups:

Finance Companies donated a total of $39 million
Health Care Companies donated a total of $19 million
Lawyers and Lobbyists donated a total of $43 million
Ideological - Single Issue groups donated $23 million


So - NO - this is NOT a Republican and Big Business issue. It IS a Politics + Big Business issue.

Democrats and Republicans are cut from the same cloth, that cloth is cut by lobbyist.

Democrats PAST NAFTA and just PAST Free Trade with South Korea - you want to blame shipping jobs over-seas - Democrats signed into law the biggest free trade agreement ever - called NAFTA.

I can't believe that most Democrats don't rise up against Clinton and Obama for passing these laws. They still blame Republicans and I scratch my head.

 

It is the same with the PSOE in Spain. The supposed leftist party in Spain, is the one that approves the worst laws, in other words, the laws that in the most wet dreams the PP(the rightist party) would try to pass. But the PSOE starts the way and the PP finishes that. The same with USA.

 

OH dear, that meme. Yep Clinton was president at the time and supported NAFTA (an honest mistake in my opinion), but how did the voting go in the Senate?

The vote was 61 to 38 with only 27 ayes from the Democrats.

 

No but the Greeks quite rightly understand (as Americans haven't figured out yet), that a few wealthy people benefited from the debt and now they want the hard working people of Greece to pay their bills.

Unlike all the weird rightwing propaganda you hear in the US, Greeks actually work the second longest amount per capita than any other European country. The welfare state rubbish is just Tea Party memes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/20/greek-mythology-boris-johnson-debt-crisis

So most Greeks have worked hard, played by the rules, and suddenly, the government wants them to pay the bill for a small class of priviledged millionaires.

Sounds like the US. Regrettably for the Greek government, unlike Americans, Greeks aren't passive and they have a significant communist party to organize around. It will be very interesting. I think the Rightwing Noise Machine is so keen on traducing Greece and the Greek people because they don't want American working people to catch on to how they've been led around by the nose by the Tea Party and the market evangelists.

 

lol...

As an American, I'm happy to watch the downfall of this Socialist Communist Entitlement mindset all across Europe!

Communism is a failure.

And European-style Socialism is proving to be also.

have fun!

 

Unfortunately for you right wingers, it was the right wing party in Greece that cooked the books and ran up the debt in a conspiracy with Goldman Sachs and other financial players who continued to make loans while knowing Greece was in no position to repay them without massive austerity measures that would cause a huge transfer of wealth from the people to the international lenders.

This was only discovered after they lost the election to the socialists who promptly reported it.

The Greek people have a right to be angry. The Eu and the IMF so called bailouts do nothing but pay off the private lenders and then demand the repayment of money that should never have been lent in the first place from the Greek people. The lenders are the ones who should be taking the loss on this fraud, not the people of Greece.

A very similar thing is playing out with Iceland. The UK and Ireland paid off depositors who lost money when Icesave, a private bank based in Iceland, went under. now they are demanding that Iceland make good on the money. The people of Iceland have already twice rejected that in referendums. They reject the proposition that the public has any obligation for the debts of private enterprises.

It is the old trick of private profit but public risk. All the profits are private but none of the risk. Greece should refuse the bailouts and default on its debt so the risk that lenders always talk about when questioned about the high interest rates they want becomes real for once.

 

c'mon...who's kidding who?

The Greek entitlement class wants mandatory 3 month vacations, government housing, education, healthcare, internet, cars, clothes, and food...and to be able to retire at 50 with a full pension!

it's unrealistic and unsustainable.

 

Well you should've left the sarcasm off, because it was a true statement. At least I consider banksters and wall st exec rich. Don't you?

 

There you go again, being Tea Party on us. The Greeks work the second most hours per capita in Europe.

Keep ignoring the facts and we'll keep ignoring your memes.

 

Yeah, Sweden is in trouble.

More dissociation from reality from the Tea Party.

It was the rightwing party that ran Greece's economy to the ground. Now run away quickly before we have to smack you again with the facts.

 

It's simple they dont' like to work for a living. Just live off the hog provided by the EU, courtesy of Germany and France. Suckers!

 

It's four years old! And when has the OECD got anything right?

 

How about you all sit around and talk down to the Greek people for demanding some accountability from their leaders and pointing out the banking fraud and that their nation is being sold to the IMF?

It's coming our way, people. We've been kicking the can down the road but there is a bridge out up ahead. Are you going to shrug your shoulders and watch your unaccountable leaders hand over a few trillion to central bankers again in your name?

 

They work the second longest hours in the OECD. They work more hours than every country except SK, They work 350 Hours more per yer than Americans and
430 hours more than Australians. Seems they work a lot harder for their living than everyone else.

http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS

 

And you really believe these wobbly figures? You must be naive. It's no wonder the OECD can't make any accurate forecasts, if it relies on figures like these!

 

Yea, we should do away with the OECD and just take for granted the words of an Aussie bludger!

 

I am reminded of the old saying, still very true today:

'Beware of Greeks bearing gifts'.

Are these rubbery figures a sure evidence of everlasting 'Greek trickery'?

And just remember: You can't live off the Welfare Hog forever.

Pass the souvlaki please!

 

When the corporations saw Obama would win they did what they do and screwed up america by lobbying him.

But dont try to fool people, everyone knows that is republicans who want to cut corporate taxes and screw the poor.

 

Just like Obama extending the Bush Tax Cuts ---

You DO KNOW who bailed out the same companies that failed? Obama!!!

He gave (via TARP, TALF, and Bailouts) trillions of dollars to:

AIG, Freddie, Fannie, Goldman, Citi, GM, Chryseler, GE, Bank of America, etc...


We ALL know if BUSH did that he would be BURNED AT THE STAKE by Democrats.

Obama does it and it's OK?

If there was EVER a president in the pockets with Big Business it would be Obama - the amount of money he handed out is f'n CRAZY!!!! I am flabbergasted.

There is no other word for it.

The same companies that were at the HEART of the credit crisis are the same ones that got TRILLIONS from the government.

The failure here is the Government and Congress - they need to take responsibility and accountability for spending OUR MONEY bailing out the f'***** that ran a failed business and caused the problem.

I am SHOCKED that Democrats support this president that hands out TRILLIONS to BIG BUSINESS!

But you are right - it's the republicans that want to help big business.

You just don't want to face the facts.

Democrats passed the biggest job export legislation in history NAFTA
Obama just passed the South Korean Free Trade - again sending jobs overseas.

Democrats gave MORE MONEY to BIG BUSINESS - EVER!

Dude - wake up!

 

OH dear, that meme.

The PRESIDENT - not the Senate or Congress - SIGNS IT INTO LAW.

Ever heard of a VETO?

So I guess when BUSH signed any laws when the Democrats controlled the legistlative branch is was Bush's fault?

You are a hypocrite!

"an honest mistake" - PLEASE

I don't know how old you are - but it was a heated debate - Clinton knew EXACTLY what he was doing - amid the protests from the left.

It was NO mistake!

 

I said big country, not middling sized without any foreign responsibilities or ability to defend itself. All Germany has to do is fund its nanny state.

 

What part of 'of any size' did you not understand...

 

I consider everyone who makes more than me 'rich', but that is envy, not economic reality speaking.

 

They're so used to getting bennies they're freakin' mad to be losing them. I think they get retirement at 50.

50 !!!

They believe in their bennies and that the money must continue and will........somehow, if they protest hard enough and loud enough.

Yes the want the money. They've alway gotten "taken care of". It's all they know.

Unfortunately the world will pity them and pony up. They think if they cry loud enough they'll get their way. They prolly will. For a while longer. BUT, ultimately the end of the gravy train is coming.

America should take a good look and deal with our untenable govt spending before we end up like Greece.

PLEASE PEOPLE LOOK AT GREECE -SEE WHAT WE'RE FACING IF WE DON'T REIN IN GOVT SPENDING.

 

It has been undelightful, listening to the capitalists (on the World service, for instance) ravenous to make ordinary people pay for the crap-up of their footling system. Their anti-human spite tells you all you need to hear about what they are worth.