‘Decisions are imminent’ on charges in Trump’s effort to overturn 2020 election

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  1. Bush Lawyer

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    So...in cold blood, randomly, he could shoot your Mother dead in broad daylight and not be charged, yes?
     
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    Riiiight. ONE month before Biden threatened to withold aid, Hunter was paid by Burisma to make the investigation go away.

    The scope of work should also include organization of a visit of a number of widely recognizedand influential current and/or former US policy-makers to Ukraine in November aiming toconduct meetings with and bring positive signal/message and support on Nikolay's issue tothe Ukrainian top officials above with the ultimate purpose to close down for anycases/pursuits against Nikolay in Ukraine.
    Re Revised Burisma Proposal, Contract and Invoice PDF | PDF | Government | Business (scribd.com)

    Shokin believes that the hostility arose due to the fact that in 2015, when he was in the position of prosecutor general, the prosecutor's office was investigating the former Minister of Ecology of Ukraine Nikolai Zlochevsky and the activities of Burisma Holding Limited (Cyprus), whose co-founders included Biden's son Hunter.
    Shokin complained to the SBI about NABU: he was "pressured" not to investigate Biden's cases | Ukrayinska Pravda

    NABU employee Polina Chizh received an instruction from an employee of the US Embassy Anna Emelyanova to provide information in the case of former Minister of Ecology and Burisma Group owner Mykola Zlochevskyi. The MP also released the amount of money that was transferred to Burisma Group representatives, including Hunter Biden.
    The court ordered the SBI to investigate the "leakage" of secret information by the NABU leadership at the request of Shokin (interfax.com.ua)

    Derkach released the amount of funds transferred to Burisma Group representatives, including Joe and Hunter Biden. Former US Vice President Joe Biden allegedly received $ 900 thousand for lobbying activities at Burisma, and his son received more than $ 16 million.

    According to the politician, Joe Biden used influence on the Ukrainian authorities and helped close criminal cases related to the activities of the former Minister of Ecology of Ukraine Mykola Zlochevskyi.
    Deputy Derkach released documents on the alleged influence of the US Embassy on the activities of the NABU (hromadske.ua)
     
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    And now you resort to a Gish gallop?
    You gotta lot of nerve throwing around the “Einstein”s.
     
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    In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin testified.

    “On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation,” Shokin added.
    Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden’s Ukraine story | The Hill
     
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    Its all quotes from the linked to sources. You can pick just a portion to dispute, IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO DISPUTE.
     
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    Which word do you prefer? I think the definitions are close enough in this context to not matter....

    FWIW, the GAO used withheld (illegally) if that helps...

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/trump-administration-broke-law-in-withholding-ukraine-aid.html
     
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    inadequate rebuttal; no counter argument offered.
     
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    So its been a week, which decisions were imminent?
     
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    It was by tens of thousands of votes and nothing illegal about believing so. He didn't want GA officials "to claim" anything. He wanted them to do and audit where the illegal votes he believed had been counted would be found and finding just 11 thousand of them would be enough change the outcome. Nothing illegal about wanting to find illegal votes.

    Like Al Gore did in Florida 2000.

    Wrong on all fronts. If illegal votes were found the certification could be overturned. Asking for such was not illegal.
     
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    It shows he is willing to fabricate to the facts and he could not prove nor did he testify to any extortion......dude.
     
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    To quote someone else.

    "Appreciate the effort, but do you REALLY think a fact-denier is going to read any of that.... or is capable of doing so?"
     
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    He made a false claim about the conversation.
     
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    Nope was a scheme abusing his authority by what is being applied to Trump.
     
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    Yes there were actual criminal charges to be filed was Clinton above the law?
     
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    He did, he still does. Why would more than what he needed be necessary? Had there been an audit and had they found 11 thousand illegal that was all it would have taken.
     
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    I don’t waste time with hysterical comparisons like murder. Is is not value added.
     
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    We do do it all the time with foreign and even domestic spending. In this case it was not withheld and no extortion engaged in. There was no quid pro quo even though there should have been to assist our own DOJ in their investigation. We have a mutual assistance agreement with Ukraine concerning criminal investigations which involve theirs and our citizens. What do we do if a country doesn't abide by such agreements?
     
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    Yep it was not withheld nor was Ukraine ever threatened with it being withheld.
     
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    What distinction are you attempting?
     
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    Yes. It was withheld. They only released it after they were caught.
     
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    Vindman wasn’t “credible” because he gave Trump the benefit of the doubt?

    A shovel works best when the person wielding it knows when to stop using it.
     
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    1. Wrong
    2. Wrong
    3 Wrong.
     
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    Apparently I cannot say what distinction I am attempting.

    It is the distinction between reality and what you are claiming. What would you call someone who makes statements that are incongruent with reality, even after they have been shown where their statements are wrong?
     
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    There are actual criminal charges to be filed with Trump. My signature gives the exact statute Trump violated.
     
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    Making false claims does not make them true.

    Let's start with your very first claim "ONE month before Biden threatened to wtihhold aid, Hunter was paid by Burisma to make the investigation go away"

    1. Biden did not threaten to wtihhold aid. There was no aid involved. It was a loan and the loan was not being made by the United States. It was being made by the International Monetary Fund.
    2. Hunter was paid, any proof of that?
    3. Even if you can prove Hunter was paid do you have ANY evidence that such payment was, in any way, tied to investigation of Burisma?
     
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