‘Scratch a Liberal and You Will Find a Fascist Every Time’: Hollywood Icon James Woods Opens Up Abou

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    Stalin was a fascist, as was hitler. Both controlled speech, compelled speech, guns, the media, etc.
     
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    Totalitarian <> fascist. Revolutionary socialists are totalitarian, too. Stalin. Mao. Castro. Pol Pot. Ho Chi Minh.
     
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    They should all be on the same end of any realistic political spectrum, but there are differences.
     
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    There are some differences for sure but they have much more among themselves in common.
     
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    False, they absolutely share similar ideologies and methodologies. They don’t need to be exactly the same to be fascist. B they are both absolutely fascist.
     
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    Pigs under the same blanket.


    “Moscow, Aug. 23, 1939. FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE GERMAN REICH: VON RIBBENTROP WITH FULL POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE U.S.S.R.: V. MOLOTOV Secret Supplementary Protocol

    The undersigned delegates establish agreement between the Government of the German Reich and the Government of the U.S.S.R. concerning for the concerning the following matters:

    The secret supplementary protocol signed on Aug. 23, 1939 is amended at No. 1 in that the territory of Lithuania comes under the U.S.S.R. sphere of interest, because on the other side the administrative district ''Woywodschaft'' of Lubin and parts of the administrative district of Warsaw come under the German sphere of influence (cf., map accompanying the boundary and friendship treaties ratified today). As soon as the Government of the U.S.S.R. takes special measures to safeguard its interests on Lithuanian territory, the present Germany-Lithuanian border will be rectified in the interests of simple and natural delimitation, so that the territory of Lithuania lying southwest of the line drawn on the accompanying map will fall to Germany.

    It is further established that the economic arrangements in force at the present time between Germany and Lithuania will be in no way damanged by the aforementioned measures being taken by the Soviet Union.

    Moscow, Sept. 28, 1939. VON RIBBENTROP FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF THE GERMAN REICH. V. MOLOTOV ON THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE U.S.S.R. Secret Protocol

    Graf von Schulenburg, the German Ambassador, acting for the Government of the German Reich, and the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the U.S.S.R., V. M. Molotov, acting for the Government of the U.S.S.R., have agreed upon the following points: 1. The Government of the German Reich renounces its claims to the portion of the territory of Lithuania mentioned in the Sept. 28, 1939 Secret Protocol and shown on the included map. 2. The Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is prepared to compensate the Government of the German Reich for the territory mentioned in Point 1 of this protocol by payment of the sum of 7,500,000 gold dollars, or 31,500,000 reichsmarks to Germany.”
    THE NEW YORK TIMES, Text of Secret Protocols to 1939 Hitler-Stalin Pact, Special to The New York Times, Aug. 24, 1989.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1989/08/24/world/text-of-secret-protocols-to-1939-hitler-stalin-pact.html
     
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    They share the same ideology? :roflol:
     
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    You are aware that James Woods, a Hollywood has-been, is still trying to find his elusive relevance.
     
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    No purpose and no one to hate on but themselves. It's not a hard choice for them ;).
     
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    You folks on the extreme right just can't stand the thought fascists have always appealed to capitalists as protectors against the confiscation of their assets by revolutionary socialists. Look over your right shoulder--the fascists are there. Commies? They're appealing to leftists.
     
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    I said similar, and I am correct.
     
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    You have been disinformed. This will help:

    "Similarly the NAZI Deputies generally supported proposals by the parties of the left for increases in the level of expenditures for state welfare aid. They also joined with the left in rejecting demands of the right that a means test be required of applicants for state welfare aid."

    "The Nazi's alone supported repeated communist efforts to raise sharply the level of tax exempt wages for low income groups, reduce the tax rates for those groups, and impose heavier taxation on the wealthy."
    Henry Ashby Turner, Jr., "German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler," Oxford University Press, Oxford 1985, p. 66.

    The German business sector was virtually united in its opposition to both the NSDAP and the KPD for rather obvious reasons -- see above.
    Of course there were a very few prominent businessmen, like Fritz Thyssen who did support the NSDAP only to have to run to Paris to escape them after they came to power.

    "I was a fool." F. Thyssen telling the truth.

    "04 October 2013
    What a fool (Dummkopf) I was - Fritz Thyssen, businessman and major contributor to Nazi party
    [​IMG]...from William Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich:

    "...the businessmen, who had welcomed Hitler's regime so enthusiastically because they expected it to destroy organized labor and allow an entrepreneur to practice untrammeled free enterprise, became greatly disillusioned. One of them was Fritz Thyssen, one of the earliest and biggest contributors to the party. Fleeing Germany at the outbreak of the war, he recognized that the 'Nazi regime has ruined German industry.' And to all he met abroad he proclaimed, ' What a fool [Dummkopf] I was!"

    First published more than fifty years ago, William Shirer's classic account of Nazi Germany, which he reported on first hand, remains a must-read book today."
     
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    Possibly the Greatest Book of Our Time ABOUT Our Time

    Well worth the month it takes most people to read, and however many months it takes to reread however many times. Don't stop until you UNDERSTAND,
     
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    You mean that he’s fighting back against the secular progressive woke cancel culture in Hollywood?
     
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    Another example of secular progressive abusers blaming their victims for the abuse they are engaged in against them.
     
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    Essentially true. That was his point.

    There were a few differences -- at least in theory.
    The odd libertarian assumption that the state would "wither away" was Communist Utopian nonsense.
    The notion that evolution was producing an enlighten super ruling race was Nazi Utopian nonsense.
    Other than that just totalitarian birds of a feather that flocked together whenever they felt that its was expedient to do so.

    When the wicked meet together, it is a Conspiracy, not a Society of Friends, they are not Friends, but Confederates in Guilt.”
    Estienne de la Boetie, A Discourse On Voluntary Servitude (1577), Ralph Miles, Publisher, Inc. CO Springs, 1975, p. 121.
     
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    They are both authoritarian dictatorships of the left with no personal freedom, religious liberty, individual rights, or economic choice. Government is in control of the means of production either way.
     
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    Yes. Shirer witnessed first hand the rise and fall of the Nazi regime.
     
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    Where, in mythical TrumpLandia with the orcs?
    Irony alert^, off the scale!
     
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    Revolutionary socialism and fascism are not similar except in being unsuccessful without using repression to enforce their particular ideology.
     
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    It's in my library and dog eared. Shirer wasn't saying the underlying ideology was the same. He's a historian noting all that he was considering in passing judgment (what historians do).

    Nazism was the solution to the socialist threat of asset confiscation.

    Of course, business doesn't like higher taxes and the Nazis had to compete with the socialists by providing support to impoverished Germans. Remember, the Nazis came to power after several years of a terrible Depression. Republicans in this country went from 270 seats to 117. The Nazis weren't going to act like Republicans--they were competing for power.

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    Nazis control production when it suits their other purposes. The main thing from the capitalists' viewpoint is the Nazis weren't confiscating their assets. When the socialists take your assets, you may have to flee to save your life.
     
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    They aren’t different in their methodologies, their desire for power, fascism is a method, a tool, a set of processess. Both stalin and hitler were fascists.
     
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    Fascism is an ideology. So is Marxism-Leninism.
    Absurd. Your NewsMax privileges have been terminated. :)
     
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    That is the orthodox Marxist interpretation, the facts, as usual contradict the self serving Marxist talking points we have all been taught.
    National Socialism tolerated state capitalism for the same reasons that made Lenin embrace capitalism.
    Business in Communist Russia, China and Nazi Germany were totally dominated by the socialist state.

    The NSDAP received almost all of its funding through a tithe that it imposed on its membership. The business class, with very few exceptions, opposed the Nazis. Armed force was used to make them raise the Nazi flag over the Chamber of Commerce.

    "Marxist and many other left-wing writers who, since 1933, have asserted that Nazism was an extreme manifestation of capitalism and that, moreover, capitalists' funds were behind the political and electoral gains of Hitler's party...Henry Ashby Turner, who has now consolidated his researches into this impressive book. In it he demonstrates beyond peradventure that the links between the large industrial combines and banks, and the Nazi party, were slender and essentially indirect."
    THE ECONOMIST, Reviewing Henry Ashby Turner, Jr., German Big Business & the Rise of Hitler, Oxford University Press 1985 p.115, Which the Economist acknowledged "demolished" the theory that Capitalists supported Hitler, November 16,1985.

    "Most of the movements funds were produced from within the ranks- it was a frighteningly popular party- and the industrial subventions that did trickle in came from smallish businessmen, who were hurt by the depression and hated both organized labour and organized capitalism. The really 'big boys', while politically divided, generally gave most of their support to other right of center parties." "The Economist", November 16, 1985.
     

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