“Belief in America as the "Indispensable Nation" Is Bullshit—And Always Has Been

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What’s his idea of a good replacement. Seriously, this guy is using COVID as a parallel yet this dispensable nation is the one that created the vaccine that everyone world wide is all but killing to get their hands on. This guy would be better off with a pail of American dung pushed down his throat
     
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    Cool story bro.
     
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    He has freedom of speech like all Americans.
     
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    About "Commondreams.org"
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    What we value.
    We share our readers’ progressive values of social justice, human rights, equality, and peace."

    IOW, commies that want to take down America.

    https://www.commondreams.org/about-us
     
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  6. Cybred

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    Yep, things like human rights, equality, and peace are terrible and will tear this country down.
     
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    It's funny (not ha ha) how they can openly say these things while simultaneously claiming that discrimination doesn't happen here. As long as they have their rights, history, benefit of the doubt privileges everybody else be damned.
     
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    Have you seen the results of their equality and peace everywhere BLM and ANTIFA went?

     
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  9. Cybred

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    I thought you posted about "Commondreams.org"?
     
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    What a dumb anti-American screed.

    If he wants to argue that America is not indispensable, he needs to strongly advocate for doing away with all foreign aid payments. I didn't see that in his article anywhere.
     
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    if human rights, equality and peace are evil sign me up.
     
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    He certainly makes some interesting and discussion worthy points, beginning with the idea that 'America must lead'. The other one that stood out to me was his question of what was accomplished by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I didn't read it to be critical of America but, rather, a question of why we feel that we need and deserve to assert that we are the leaders.
     
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    Nothing is indespensable except for air, water and food. What a silly thing to post.
     
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    is reality really "anti american?" ask any of the millions of persons killed by our exceptional nation how indispensable we are.
     
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    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    http://www.mexi-can.org/letter-from-jose-marti-to-manuel-mercado-may-18-1895/

    José Martí wrote to Manuel Mercado in 1895:

    My dearest brother: Now I can write, now I can tell you with what tenderness and gratitude and respect I love you, and your home that is my own—and with what pride and commitment. Every-day now I am in danger of giving my life for my country and duty—since I understand it and have the spirit to carry it out—in order to prevent ... the United States from extending its hold across the Antilles and falling with all the greater force on the lands of our America. All I have done up to now and all I will do is for that. It has had to be concealed in order to be attained: proclaiming them for what they are would give rise to obstacles too formidable to be overcome. The nations such as your own and mine, which have the most vital interest in keeping Cuba from becoming, through an annexation accomplished by those imperialists and the Spaniards, the doorway—which must be blocked and which, with our blood, we are blocking—to the annexation of the peoples of our America by the turbulent and brutal North that holds them in contempt, are kept by secondary, public obligations from any open allegiance and manifest aid to the sacrifice being made for their immediate benefit. I lived in the monster, and I know its entrails—and my sling is the sling of David ...
     
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    A laughable retort. There is nothing wrong with American that removing Democrats from power wouldn't fix.
     
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    There's that tyrannical mindset.
     
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    And what was the gun of Teddy Roosevelt? He went down there a couple years later and helped fight off the Spaniards.

    Apparently Marti's "sling" needed a little help. ;)

    https://www.nps.gov/thrb/learn/historyculture/tr-rr-spanamwar.htm

    That war kicked off the 1st imperialistic actions the US ever took.
    Cuba wasn't gained, though.
     
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    Removing would be tyrants from power is not tyrannical.
     
  20. Cybred

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    Depends on how their removed doesn't it.
     
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    Too bad those long ago ceased to be progressive ideals. Now it's just we are the Borg...
     
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    sorry to disappoint, but those are my ideals, and i certainly don't need you to validate them.
     
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    Can you name a country that does it better?
     
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    He doesn't hate America, I cannot speak for him but I likely share some of his emotions, but likely he is well aware that America is one thing (which we love) and its government is VERY MUCH another thing.

    Mark Twain put it very well: Patriotism means supporting your country all of the time, BUT its government ONLY when it deserves it.

    It does not make me happy to say that the US government has been a criminal organization for long decades. I first discovered that in 1970 while helping to occupy Vietnam.

    Maybe the OP feels the same way?
     
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    The Americans who control the federal government (there are always individual exceptions) are the people he criticizes, IMO. The gangs of people in control who have brought war under fraud are domestic enemies of the US Constitution, as described in the federal oath of office.

    The legislators who brought the Unpatriot Act and so many others offensive legislative efforts, those who are currently bringing the masses across the southern border, and so many other illegal things, are domestic enemies of the US Constitution.
     

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