103 Marines booted for refusing COVID vaccine as services begin discharges

Didn't say any of that - none of which has anything to do with refusing the vax. nor does refusing vax have anything to do with refusing military orders

Troubling that you do not understand the distinction.

 

Don't you know what is happening around the world right now? The hospital systems are being swapped by idiots who won't get vaccinated against the virus. The whole world order is getting close to collapsing. The objective is to be able to get to the point where the virus can be managed as a nuisance rather than as a disaster.

So, everyone is encouraged to wear masks, and forced to wear them in some situations. The vaccines don't necessarily prevent a person from getting the virus but it can reduce the severity of the infection and maybe prevent the infected person from dying. It is also effective in reducing the spread of the virus.

This is a world-wide problem that affects everyone on the planet. If people refuse to cooperate, they will eventually be whacked upside their noggins and isolated from everyone else. Right now extra charges are being imposed on unvaccinated people for health care and people are getting fired from their jobs and prevented from traveling. Children are paying the price for your intransigence. Eventually, harsher sanctions will be imposed. So, if you want to suffer the consequences, don't get vaccinated. Sooner or later you will wish you had been.

 

The original comment was that since some military personnel are refusing to get vaccinate, how can they be trusted to obey any other orders?

 

What part of "nor does refusing vax have anything to do with refusing military orders" - did you not understand from the first post...

and if you did understand .. why was it not addressed ? You could yave even said "Yes it Does" in the lamest way to answer .. but at least you would acknowledged the existence of the response.

I will elaborate the cognitive factors that relate to obedience "serving God and Country" does not relate to something the individual feels does not serve God and Country .. and in terms of other forms of Obedience w/r to military service .. does not relate either..

You are claiming that Obedience is some Black vs White Paradigm .. either one is 100% sheep obeying everything that any autority orders without question .. or they are not.

but once again .. dissapointing you didn't come up with at least some difference on your own -- but .. we all miss things .. make mistake.
What is more troubling .. 1) not getting that there is a distinction after being pointed out .. and labeled such 2) not even acknowledging that this information has been relayed.

 

Will these acts become the Xiden purges? Looks like it. Xiden demands subservience. Of course this entire conversation entirely ignores the science. Dictator don't like science much.

 

Thats the new leftist mantra? Peer reviewed? Did you learn that on CNN?
When did you need opinions, assessments, findings, and verifications on an actual injections, hospitalizations, or deaths?
Is there some committee out there that will determine someone isn't dead, didn't take the shot, or wasn't hospitalized?
Learn what peer reviewed means before you use it as there is nothing here to peer review.

If you were previously infected and take the shot, you will have higher immunity, yes.

Yet the CDC claims if you don't get a booster every 6 months, you are not vaccinated?
If you take the shot, you can still get Covid
If you take the shot, you can still spread Covid
People who have taken the shot are still hospitalized for Covid in very high numbers
Can you name a vaccine that has these statistics? Nope

Vaccines immunize you, not help you suffer through it.
How many boosters did you need for your Polio, measles, mumps, typhoid, hepatitus A, rotavirus, diphtheria, meningococcal, cholera, or smallpox, vaccine?
How many people are still getting these diseases after being vaccinated?
Did we just decide to change the actual meaning of the word to make you feel better?

You can't cure a virus. If you could, we would have beaten the common cold decades ago. Did you actually think you were being vaccinated when you took the flu shot. You know why they call it a flu shot? Because its not a vaccine. Which only does what the Covid shot does. Helps Lesson the overall effects on your body.

If you could be vaccinated for Covid or the flu, you wouldn't have different strains to deal with year after year.

So the sooner you learn the following, the better off EVERYONE will be so you won't go around screaming ANTI VAXXER.
1. Eventually, EVERYONE on the planet will get Covid. Just like the flu. And there isn't thing one you can do to stop it.
2. The Covid shot may or may not help you get through it. Most times it will.
3. Getting the Covid shot does not immunize you from Covid
4. Getting the Covid shot does not slow or stop the spread of Covid. Its only for helping your own ability to deal with the virus
5. Only respirators will protect you from a .03 micron virus. 4 cent paper mask do nothing for you.
6. Covid still has over 98% survival rate
7. Natural immunity is much higher than vaccinated
8. Unlike vaccines, the Covid shot will NEVER stop the virus

Helping you get a jump on your immune system to lesson the effects on your body is gene therapy. Not vaccination.

 

The Hospitals are being swarmed by those with vaccines... how you are missing that is telling.

You forcing young, healthy, non-at risk people that likely already have the antibodies to take an experimental vaccine is ridiculous and ant-Science. If you want to beat this vaccine, then we need a wall of Natural Immunity among the young and healthy. Until that happens you anti-Science people are just causing more pain, death, misery, loss of purpose, and a lower quality of life for everyone.

 

Thats nice that you and Jack have an opinion. How did Jacks strategy work in Vietnam and the ME?

The orders are still far from reasonable. Why not cut out the middle man and have big pharma give them orders directly?

 

This isn't just one more random shot. This one was issued under EUA, Emergency Use Authorization. There are many other facts we could discuss on the subject if you're so inclined.

As for me, a former soldier in the Medical Service Corps in the Vietnam era, for the last year or so I have been completely ashamed to see all the troops and sailors wearing a silly damn mask to "protect" them from a virus no more virulent than the flu. What wimps, I say. And considering Milley and Austin's relations with China, I cannot help but be cynical and suspicious for why the Pentagon is demanding this wimpy behavior. Why is the Pentagon demanding that our troops take a toxic experimental drug to supposedly protect them from a flu virus? Why is all this pressure to submit to drug experiments coming from the top down, especially when a Brigade Flight Surgeon at Fort Rucker has completed a risk/benefit assessment in accordance with Army Regulations and found the shots to be dangerous.

Enquiring minds, you know?

 

You used a lot of words to simply state that you don't have a clue of what you are talking about. You know only what you read on the kook blogs you visit that tell you what you want to read.

But you go on living life happily as an anti vaxxer, anti masker if it makes you happy.

 

I like the cynicism!

Jack's observations were particularly borne out by Lt. Calley at My Lai.

But on the serious side, I understand full well that war IS hell, and I also know what Milgram, Zimbardo and others have documented about the dark side of the human condition.

 

You are aware that the Covid vaccines have all been given full approval by the FDA, right? They no longer fall under the EUA.

You may want to keep up with current events.

 

Never claimed to be an anti vaxxer or anti masker.
So you go on living life as you do here on PF. Exaggerations and false claims.

Just for your newest exaggeration, that kook blog belongs to John Hopkins school of public health who proves

Model 1 compared 16,215 people in both the vaccinated and natural immunity groups and found that cases in the vaccinated group (n=238, 1.5%) were 13 fold more likely to experience a breakthrough infection than the natural immunity group (n=19, 0.12%). The majority of the cases were symptomatic. There were very few hospitalizations in either group with only 8 in the vaccine arm and 1 in the natural immunity arm.

Model 2 compared 46,035 people in both the vaccinated and natural immunity groups, and found that cases in the vaccinated group (n=640, 1.4%) were 6-fold more likely to experience a breakthrough infection than the natural immunity group (n=108, 0.23%). The majority of the cases were symptomatic. There were very few hospitalizations in either group with only 21 in the vaccine arm and 4 in the natural immunity arm.
https://ncrc.jhsph.edu/research/com...-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/

But I wouldn't want to do anything that might remove those sheepess blinders you adore so much.
So you can move along now

 

The Hospitals are being swarmed by antivaxxists, not by vaccinated folks. Link ANY data that supports this ridiculous claim that the Hospitals are being swarmed by the vaccinated.


Below is just one example of 11 Hospitals in South Carolina where clearly the antivaxxists are by far the majority of those in the hospitals.


https://prismahealth.org/coronavirus

 

That is an inaccurate statement Walter.

 

Ah, so you take the cavalier approach of not doing anything to protect yourself or anything in general cause of your freeeeeeeeedoms and Merica!

Well, carry on.

Prove to us all how strong you are and volunteer in any Hospital's Covid unit and insist to them that you need no mask or vaccine because you just know in your gut that Covid is no big deal and all the Doctors & Nurses who wear masks and took the VACCINES are sheep.


Report back to us how that worked out for ya.

Merry Christmas!

 

Never made such a claim and neither does the report. Sorry John Hopikins hurt your feelings. Its tough when everything you thought you believed in turns out to be gibberish.
But feel free to exaggerate any other claim you can muster as it only shows you have no clue and are now just thrashing about.

The sheep are the ones who will slurp up anything spoon fed to them by CNN and will regurgitate it at every opportunity. They will continue to ignore real science in the name of leftist ideology no matter what source it comes from. Not the actual heros who were fighting to save lives.

I already had Covid, So did my wife and 3 kids and we have better immunity than any gene therapy shot can provide.

 

LOL, John Hopkins states in your link that people should get the vaccine(s). But you go ahead and pretend that your impervious to Rona the rest of your life since you had it once.

Wait, so Doctor's, Scientists, Epidemiologists are sheep that get their knowledge from CNN and ignore real science that you read from kook blogs? LOL, ok.

Your link disagrees with you. It clearly states that you will have far better immunities with the vaccine and your immunity after recovering from rona. But I know, I know, getting a vaccine goes against everything you believe in.

 

Nobody claimed anything about not getting the Covid shot or against getting the Covid shot
Exaggeration #1

Nope, Leftist CNN types. You knew exactly who I was referring too.
Exaggeration #2

I never claimed anything about having had the virus then getting the Covid shot
Exaggeration #3
What else ya got

 

I know, right? 103 is a very tiny amount compared to the number employed in the military service. I wonder what they're up to?

 

I wish you all the best. My fine young nephew is just a year from finishing his 20, he's made E-7 by now. He has been trying to avoid taking it, but finally caved in a few months ago. I wish you all the best.

The problem for me is that I know 8 or more who have now died from it, and a handful of people who have been maimed. We're hoping it won't be permanent.

All the best to you and yours!

 

Vast majority did follow orders and took the shot, and they have probably taken all other mandatory vaccines too during the boot camp and later. There is nothing new in getting the boot for disobeying orders. If they chose to do this, then obviously they did NOT have much invested in a military career. 103 is not that many, actually.

Actually it would get pumped through. That is the purpose of the heart. It is not a storage.

 

Ours is not to wonder why, ours is but to do and die.

True then, and true now.

 

The military is and always has been authoritarian. The vaccines have been approved by the FDA so there is no excuse for refusing to take them.